ktm400 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Chronoed loads today and have concluded that the issue isn't the load but it's the Starline brass. Same load (138 PF) with Federal Brass had zero difficulty extracting. Same with mixed range brass x-Starline. All reloads, including the Starlines, using Lee u die. Thanks for the heads up on this from MWP. Also discovered much better accuracy using a 147 38/357 bullet after I slugged my barrel - it's .357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 What is it about the Starline brass that makes it stick ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 What load recipe you using with the 147 grain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 before giving up i think doug's theory is a good one, shoot it once in an auto... that said, in the minimal testing i've done so far with range brass the following all have worked fine.. fed, win, speer, blaser, hornady all worked. odd stuff that all sticks... sumbo, ammoland, herters, imi... this is random range brass run through a dillon die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm400 Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 What load recipe you using with the 147 grain?147 RN (38/357) Blue, 3.7 N320, 1.175 OAL, Fed Brass, Fed Prem Primer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I have run many different loads, 145, 147 and 160 grain all loaded up to 138PF with no sticking, all with Starline Brass. Make me a deal on all your Starline brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 What load recipe you using with the 147 grain?147 RN (38/357) Blue, 3.7 N320, 1.175 OAL, Fed Brass, Fed Prem Primer Thanks, I'll give that a shot , I was messing around and revisiting short colt with some 145s. With 3.4 of n320 at 1.12" only got me like 106 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm400 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 before giving up i think doug's theory is a good one, shoot it once in an auto... that said, in the minimal testing i've done so far with range brass the following all have worked fine.. fed, win, speer, blaser, hornady all worked. odd stuff that all sticks... sumbo, ammoland, herters, imi... this is random range brass run through a dillon die. What's the theory regarding shooting first in auto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 before giving up i think doug's theory is a good one, shoot it once in an auto... that said, in the minimal testing i've done so far with range brass the following all have worked fine.. fed, win, speer, blaser, hornady all worked. odd stuff that all sticks... sumbo, ammoland, herters, imi... this is random range brass run through a dillon die. What's the theory regarding shooting first in auto? http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=211486&p=2365483 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 What's the theory regarding shooting first in auto? I'm not going to buy new brass for my revolver and run it in an auto and put extractor claw marks on it where my moon clips fit. All my new Starline goes through the sizer with almost no pressure, I've never seen any new Starline with a bluge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnurlingTurtle Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 My new starline 9MM did not go through my dillon 650 with the dillon die with minimal effort. The resizing was sticky as hell. I have this same problem, although not quite as badly, with brand new 38spl starline brass so I figured it was normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 How about this. Take the 929 cylinders, throw them in the trash. Have a 627 cylinder fit. Shoot 38 short colts. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 How about this. Take the 929 cylinders, throw them in the trash. Have a 627 cylinder fit. Shoot 38 short colts. Problem solved. no. so there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alecmc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 you mad cause i'm right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 you mad cause i'm right? shhheeeeeiiit no. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm400 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 What is it about the Starline brass that makes it stick ??? I don't know but Hunter from Starline said there have been several reports about this and he said they're not sure why this is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad P Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I am having the same problem with my 929 and starline brass. I have also talked to Hunter a couple of times and he told me to shoot it once and then reload again but that made no difference. I asked Hunter to call Jerry Miculek and run it by him. My gun works fine with R-P brass and TK custom moon clips and 124 grn bayou coated bullets with 3.0 grns of clays. I guess I have 75.00 of brass that won't work in a revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 you mad cause i'm right? I'm happy. Instead of the trash, throw it in a flat rate box addressed to me and get some of your money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'm just glad I stuck with my 627s, and didn't get caught up in the frenzy. All this hassle just to shoot 9mm? Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cd662 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Agree with Carmoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harleytech Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 My new starline 9MM did not go through my dillon 650 with the dillon die with minimal effort. The resizing was sticky as hell. I have this same problem, although not quite as badly, with brand new 38spl starline brass so I figured it was normal. this has been my experience with all new starline brass, it requires alot of effort the first time through... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) this has been my experience with all new starline brass, it requires alot of effort the first time through... That's pretty strange, whenever I throw some new brass in the hopper I'll be pulling the handle reloading away when the handle will slam to the bottom with no effort and I'll see that it was one of the new pieces of brass coming through that didn't require any sizing compared to the fired cases. Edited March 31, 2015 by Gregg K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 this has been my experience with all new starline brass, it requires alot of effort the first time through... That's pretty strange, whenever I throw some new brass in the hopper I'll be pulling the handle reloading away when the handle will slam to the bottom with no effort and I'll see that it was one of the new pieces of brass coming through that didn't require any sizing compared to the fired cases. It's not the resizing that is difficult. I've found with about all new cases it's the powder funnel sticking as it withdraws after flaring the case mouth. Has to do with the sharper edges of new cases combined with no fired gunpowder residue (which acts as a dry lubricant). It helps a little to de-burr the case mouth, but it still is tougher than a fired case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 this has been my experience with all new starline brass, it requires alot of effort the first time through... That's pretty strange, whenever I throw some new brass in the hopper I'll be pulling the handle reloading away when the handle will slam to the bottom with no effort and I'll see that it was one of the new pieces of brass coming through that didn't require any sizing compared to the fired cases. It's not the resizing that is difficult. I've found with about all new cases it's the powder funnel sticking as it withdraws after flaring the case mouth. Has to do with the sharper edges of new cases combined with no fired gunpowder residue (which acts as a dry lubricant). It helps a little to de-burr the case mouth, but it still is tougher than a fired case. The powder funnel on a 1050 loader doesn't stick, it's a different shape than the other Dillon presses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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