BigLucky Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 So I can't help but notice that all of the major match rule sets still cap Heavy divisions at 20 rounds. I am wondering why that is. .40 round PMags and 60 round Surefire mags are the norm in .223 divisions now. Now that you can throw a base pad on a 25 round .308 pmag and get 31 rounds in the mag, why haven't the rules for heavy divisions caught up like they have in other divisions. Just wondering what everyone thinks about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1chota Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Now you have gone and done it! I tried this some time back and got hammered. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Just shoot Tac Optics or Limited with your .308 and you can put all the ammo in the mags you want! Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigLucky Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 No.. Why would I want to do that? There are .308 divisions. The reason is why the mag rules don't change with the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 "The reason is why the mag rules don't change with the times." No, the question is why don't the rules change with the times and the answer is that the majority of people shooting those divisions don't want it to change. When enough people ask for the change it will happen. Look at all the other rule changes that have happened over the last 10 years. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 JJ says get rid of (expletive deleted) 9mm in anything called a Heavy division, and he'll give you your 25 or 30 round mags! I'm just the messenger...he's driving! But, my question is: with the cost of .308, why don't you just bare down and hit the targets the first time anyway? Then you wouldn't need bigger mags! JJ adds - "Aim more, shoot less!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I'm not a fan of greater than 20 round capacity for heavy irons. But I'm the same guy that also prefers 8+1 max capacity on the shotgun. Edited March 26, 2015 by Bryan 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Shoot 3gn matches, then you can run you 50 round snail mag in whatever they call heavy limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The >25rd 308 mags havn't been around very long and they are onlly (cost effectively) for LR308 platforms. In HM we see a wide range of platforms in use and they all take different mags. Extending the mag capacity would give a big advantage to a single rifle type and thus penalize those not shooting that platform. In the WeeMan divisions 99% of the competitors run AR15's. pretty easy to please the majority there. I would love nothing better than to slap in a 50rd drum and let my 308 off it's chain, but I just don't see any real benefit to the divisions by allowing one gun type such a huge advantage. The 3gn rule change is a unique attempt to combine 2 divisions and it really is just an experiment at this point. We'll havr to see how it works out in the 2015 season. The rule I would rather see change is the pistol magazine capacity. I like the idea of going to a 15rd limit or to a 140mm mag length. There are plenty of cost effective 45's out there with plenty of base pad options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcloudy777 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They've already watered down HM to the point of "why bother".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigLucky Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Good point co-exprs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They've already watered down HM to the point of "why bother".... WE (At RM3G) have not watered it down. If you like HMI or HMS I suggest shooting HeMan Nationals and/or RM3G. jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcloudy777 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 WE (At RM3G) have not watered it down. If you like HMI or HMS I suggest shooting HeMan Nationals and/or RM3G.jj JJ, one of these days I'd love to make it out there. I'd probably dig out the gear and shoot the Garand, just for kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'll start a real fire, I wish tac-optics would gage a 30rd mag and make it the limit just like 140 and 170 mags in USPSA. Make it about shooting and running a system not what toys you have. I'm going to run and hide now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'll start a real fire, I wish tac-optics would gage a 30rd mag and make it the limit just like 140 and 170 mags in USPSA. Make it about shooting and running a system not what toys you have. I'm going to run and hide now. Why? What's a 40 round Pmag cost? $3 more than a 30 rounder maybe? I wouldn't call bigger mags extravagant toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewberry Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) I'll start a real fire, I wish tac-optics would gage a 30rd mag and make it the limit just like 140 and 170 mags in USPSA. Make it about shooting and running a system not what toys you have. I'm going to run and hide now. Why? What's a 40 round Pmag cost? $3 more than a 30 rounder maybe? I wouldn't call bigger mags extravagant toys. Agreed. If you wanna limit mags go shoot factory. Limited to 30rd mags exactly like you want. Edited March 31, 2015 by Dewberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentsight Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'll start a real fire, I wish tac-optics would gage a 30rd mag and make it the limit just like 140 and 170 mags in USPSA. Make it about shooting and running a system not what toys you have. I'm going to run and hide now. Kinda like the immensely popular IDPA multi-gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 IDPA has multi-gun?!?! That sounds horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan45kim Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I like the idea of testing my shooting skills, all of them. In the last two years I can only remember one rifle reload at a match and that was required on a standards stage. I did not say we should run 10rd mags but something similar to the 140mm we run in limited. I see tac-optics and uspsa limited as very similar as far as limits on equipment. If you want to run the biggest mags you can find great that is what open is for, heck I'm for removing the 170mm limit in open. I think open should be like the name implies. Not trying to start trouble, just stating my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Rocky Mountain has already removed the mag length limit in open. If you want one of those little pistol Beta mags or a 36inch stick for your pistol to rest on, go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'll start a real fire, I wish tac-optics would gage a 30rd mag and make it the limit just like 140 and 170 mags in USPSA. Make it about shooting and running a system not what toys you have. I'm going to run and hide now. Why? What's a 40 round Pmag cost? $3 more than a 30 rounder maybe? I wouldn't call bigger mags extravagant toys. Agreed. If you wanna limit mags go shoot factory. Limited to 30rd mags exactly like you want. I am going to shoot factory. I do appreciate that I can use my gear from last year, but I am not a fan of the reduced capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Because someone has to encourage folks to learn how to reload Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewberry Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'll start a real fire, I wish tac-optics would gage a 30rd mag and make it the limit just like 140 and 170 mags in USPSA. Make it about shooting and running a system not what toys you have. I'm going to run and hide now. Why? What's a 40 round Pmag cost? $3 more than a 30 rounder maybe? I wouldn't call bigger mags extravagant toys. Agreed. If you wanna limit mags go shoot factory. Limited to 30rd mags exactly like you want. I am going to shoot factory. I do appreciate that I can use my gear from last year, but I am not a fan of the reduced capacity. Honestly I think it will be good for the division in the long run. They needed to separate it from Practical (tac-ops) somehow. At some point I will be trying my hand at Practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'll start a real fire, I wish tac-optics would gage a 30rd mag and make it the limit just like 140 and 170 mags in USPSA. Make it about shooting and running a system not what toys you have. I'm going to run and hide now. Why? What's a 40 round Pmag cost? $3 more than a 30 rounder maybe? I wouldn't call bigger mags extravagant toys.Agreed. If you wanna limit mags go shoot factory. Limited to 30rd mags exactly like you want.I am going to shoot factory. I do appreciate that I can use my gear from last year, but I am not a fan of the reduced capacity. Honestly I think it will be good for the division in the long run. They needed to separate it from Practical (tac-ops) somehow. At some point I will be trying my hand at Practical. Yes I think they should have restricted capacity in practical, it is easier to hit long targets with a scope:). Most people that I know that buy their first AR buy a cheap 1x4 or something with the gun anyhow. Whatever, it is what it is. I am thankful for all the effort and hardwork these guys put forth running the matches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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