hwansikcjswo Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) I just talked to CZ-USA on the phone. I heard it is a IPSC legal from Jeff. I am confused because I heard CZ SP01 Shadow Target is not a legal for IPSC. However Target 2 is legal? Does anyone know if it's true? I am not seeing Shadow Target 2 on IPSC production approved pistol list. I need a CZ shadow to shoot IPSC. Mine right now is a Accued. I may just ask Matt Mink to build one. Unless Target 2 is legal. Thank you. Edited March 24, 2015 by hwansikcjswo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I believe the Shadow Target 2 uses the factory dovetail for the adjustable rear sight which makes it legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I just talked to CZ-USA on the phone. I heard it is a IPSC legal from Jeff. I am confused because I heard CZ SP01 Shadow Target is not a legal for IPSC. However Target 2 is legal? Does anyone know if it's true? I need a CZ shadow to shoot IPSC. Mine right now is a Accued. I may just ask Matt Mink to build one. Unless Target 2 is legal. Thank you. When you say "IPSC",do you mean IPSC or USPSA? There is a difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwansikcjswo Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) IPSC. Not USPSA. Edited March 24, 2015 by hwansikcjswo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwansikcjswo Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 I just talked to someone at CZC. I was told that it "should be" legal because the slide is not milled. Yet I still don't see Target 2 on IPSC production approved pistol list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 IPSC. Not USPSA. In that case, from the IPSC production gun list... "(CZUSA Custom Shop models (including the SP-01 Shadow Target, CZ 75 Shadow T and CZ 75 SP01 ACCU Shadow), and Frankonia models (including Mamba and Viper), are not approved)" I think there is an issue with CZC not being an "OFM" or so I have heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthpawG26 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If the new short reset trigger on the Target 2 makes use of non CZUB parts, it will not be IPSC PD legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 OK..you guys got to think about this. What is the Target 2. Target 2 is an SP01 Shadow ( on the production list) with CZ factory competition hammer, with a factory pre B disconnector, and an adjustable rear sight that uses the factory dovetail. From IPSC rulebook 16. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific modelhandgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following: 17.2 Aftermarket open sights (see Rule 5.1.3.1) are permitted, provided their installation and/or adjustmentrequires no alteration to the handgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthpawG26 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) OK Stuart, sounds good to go indeed. It's difficult to view everything in the CZ USA online store from abroad because of their foreign IP block.... Edited March 25, 2015 by SouthpawG26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwansikcjswo Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 So... I emailed IPSC rules director. Quoting him- The subject gun is NOT approved. See our list: http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php Regards,Vince PintoIPSC Handgun Rules DirectorJoin the IPSC Global VillageFor everything you ever wantedto know about IPSC!http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/ I am not sure if I can make a purchase or not.... I am shooting USPSA Nats this year and I am going to shoot IPSC as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 So... I emailed IPSC rules director. Quoting him- The subject gun is NOT approved. See our list: http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php Regards,Vince Pinto IPSC Handgun Rules Director Join the IPSC Global Village For everything you ever wanted to know about IPSC! http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/ I am not sure if I can make a purchase or not.... I am shooting USPSA Nats this year and I am going to shoot IPSC as well. I wonder if Vince knows the difference between a Target and Target II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 You asked the question wrong. Of course the Target 2 is not legal . Its not on the list. The SP01 SHADOW is approved. All the work on the gun is approved. The type of sight and way they are installed is approved. That's what this gun is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwansikcjswo Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 This is my e-mail conversation with Vince. 1q. Hi. My name is Hwansik Kim. I am currently a USPSA member. However, I'd like to shoot IPSC matches. I have a question on CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Target 2 (2015 model from CZ USA). I talked to CZ USA and CZ Custom shop. Both of them told me it should be legal for IPSC production division. I want to confirm if it is true before I make the purchase. Thank you. 1a. The subject gun is NOT approved. See our list: http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php 2.q Thank you for the answer. I have one more question. Will CZ SP01 Shadow Target 2 be approved for production in the future? I am hearing that Target 2 should be legal since the slide is not milled and such. Thank you. 2.a It will NOT be approved in the future. We do not approve any custom guns created by packagers like CZ Custom. Regards, Vince Pinto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwansikcjswo Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) hm... Is that mean I can't use Target 2 for IPSC? Edited March 25, 2015 by hwansikcjswo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthpawG26 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I have to agree with Stuart. It's a factory gun with optional factory OFM parts installed, and with open sights fitting the original dovetail. The issue that seems to be complicating matters is the name "Target 2" assigned to this package of factory parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Don't call it a Target 2. Call it a Shadow with factory parts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwansikcjswo Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Matt1, That makes sense. So I should look at "Target 2" just to be a cz shadow. Then It must be legal for IPSC. Sorry for my lack of intelligence guys. HOWEVER, I heard in IPSC, trigger job is not allowed. Is it true? If then, would Target 2's new trigger be okay? Edited March 25, 2015 by hwansikcjswo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMaus Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Matt1, That makes sense. So I should look at "Target 2" just to be a cz shadow. Then It must be legal for IPSC. Sorry for my lack of intelligence guys. HOWEVER, I heard in IPSC, trigger job is not allowed. Is it true? If then, would Target 2's new trigger be okay? The pistol is IPSC production legal if it is a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow with OEM and legal third party parts. The model of your pistol is what it says on the warranty card. Asking Vince a question using a CZ Custom model name or even the mention of 'CZ Custom' will always get you a 'No' answer. "Appendix D4 16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components)," Yes, trigger jobs are illegal in IPSC production guns but it is not a trigger job if you are just fitting the parts. Edited March 26, 2015 by BMaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwansikcjswo Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Thank you Bmaus. That makes perfect sense now. I'd purchase Target 2 without any doubt now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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