longbeard Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) I have a new CZ that requires a particular bullet profile to load @ 1.06. I have both 147 and 124 grain bullets. With some other profiles I currently shoot 3.1 @ 1.15 in the 147 and 3.7 @ 1.15 in the 125 Anyone have a load worked up @ 1.06 I could start with for either 147 or 124? Or a suggestion of how much to back off on the charge when coming down from 1.15? I'm thinking .3 grains? Edited February 12, 2015 by longbeard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I will just point out the obvious. .. that you will have much more room in the casino with the shorter 124gr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1gcountry Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 OK that was an auto complete hiccup, but I think I'm going to leave it be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Agreed, and due caution noted with regards to pressure. Nonetheless, I already have these bullets, and I'd like to shoot them up. I will just point out the obvious. .. that you will have much more room in the casino with the shorter 124gr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 OK that was an auto complete hiccup, but I think I'm going to leave it be... So funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taadski Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I load Berry's plated FP 124s at 1.065 using 4.0 grs of Titegroup. It consistently yields 130 PF out of my production pistols and has been my goto load for the last several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 I load Berry's plated FP 124s at 1.065 using 4.0 grs of Titegroup. It consistently yields 130 PF out of my production pistols and has been my goto load for the last several years. Thank you! I would have imagined that to be a more stout PF @ 4.0. Keep 'em coming? Anyone else out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garmil Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 What bullets are you having to load that short? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure if this helps, but 3.3 grains of Titegroup under a 135 grain Bayou bullet loaded to 1.09 OAL get's me 130pf out of my CZ Shadow. Edited February 12, 2015 by razorfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 These are some cast boolits from a company named Vance. They're a good bullet, I've shot thousands of them in my Glocks. The CZ has a narrow throat, and the profile on these just doesn't work with a longer OAL. Pretty common in CZ, and yes I could have the throat reamed, but I'd just like to shoot up this stock for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 These are some cast boolits from a company named Vance. They're a good bullet, I've shot thousands of them in my Glocks. The CZ has a narrow throat, and the profile on these just doesn't work with a longer OAL. Pretty common in CZ, and yes I could have the throat reamed, but I'd just like to shoot up this stock for now. CZ's like some bullet profiles loaded pretty short. You should be fine at 1.06. I'll caution you not take any advice from anyone on a forum but if it were me, I'd feel pretty safe starting at 2.9 grains and working up a load. My guess is you'll end up somewhere between 3.0 and 3.1 grains. One thing to note. Titegroup burns extremely hot so expect quite a bit of smoke when using Titegroup with any cast boolits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 Thanks. I'm with you on accepting advice via a forum! In the end, we are all responsible for our own actions. I agree with your advice, as it matches my own figuring based off of the loads I currently shoot @ 1.150 which are right around 135pf. Truth is I'm pretty confident I can shoot the same charge at this shorter OAL safely, but I am going to go about this the right way and work up to it. I have a few thousand of these, so I'm deeming it worth my time to work up a load. Smoke? Yup, lots of it! Interestingly, the SNS coated have little smoke. Great boolit! These are some cast boolits from a company named Vance. They're a good bullet, I've shot thousands of them in my Glocks. The CZ has a narrow throat, and the profile on these just doesn't work with a longer OAL. Pretty common in CZ, and yes I could have the throat reamed, but I'd just like to shoot up this stock for now. CZ's like some bullet profiles loaded pretty short. You should be fine at 1.06. I'll caution you not take any advice from anyone on a forum but if it were me, I'd feel pretty safe starting at 2.9 grains and working up a load. My guess is you'll end up somewhere between 3.0 and 3.1 grains. One thing to note. Titegroup burns extremely hot so expect quite a bit of smoke when using Titegroup with any cast boolits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taadski Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 CZ's like some bullet profiles loaded pretty short. You should be fine at 1.06. I'll caution you not take any advice from anyone on a forum but if it were me, I'd feel pretty safe starting at 2.9 grains and working up a load. My guess is you'll end up somewhere between 3.0 and 3.1 grains. One thing to note. Titegroup burns extremely hot so expect quite a bit of smoke when using Titegroup with any cast boolits. Clarifying you're talking about a 147 gr projectile with those numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 My assumption is that, yes, those are the 147 numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 My assumption is that, yes, those are the 147 numbers. I've yet to work up a load using 147 grain coated/lead bullets using Titegroup. (I've loaded 147's using other powders) So yes, those numbers are my "best guess" based on TiteGroup loads developed for 124 and 135 grain coated bullets. Again, it's best to check the manufacturers loading data and err on the side of extreme caution. Be safe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Sorry. Double tap courtesy of Tapatalk. Edited February 12, 2015 by razorfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruleyoutoo1911 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I have been loading Bear Creek 125 gr RN bullets for my CZ 75 also at 1.060 OAL due to the short chamber and the profile of these bullets. Used 3.6 and 3.8 Gr of Titegroup with no problems. Accurate and IIRC got about 130 pf with the ones loaded at 3.8 Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taadski Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Interesting. I don't have much experience with coated bullets. But the Berry's plated 124s shooting out of a 4.4" Sig barrel, 3.9 grains of Titegroup at 1.065 was right at or a touch below the minor bubble. I chose to load 4.1 because it clearly and repeatably makes 130. With 4.0 it'd fluctuate between 126 and 129 or so and after a couple close calls I decided to just stick with 4.1. YMMV. t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbeard Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 No chrono, but all of the following were completely fine. No signs of over pressure, I'll be settling with the top end of the listed charges, which is the same charge I use @ 1.150. Felt recoil between the long and short OAL was negligible IMO. 147 LFP @ 1.06 2.9 Titegroup 3.0 Titegroup 3.1 Titegroup 125 LRN @ 1.06 3.5 Titegroup 3.6 Titegroup 3.7 Titegroup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtp Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I've loaded the following with TG in my CZ and/or PPQ (both of which need shorter OALs): (click for larger) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangeJunkie Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I've loaded the following with TG in my CZ and/or PPQ (both of which need shorter OALs): (click for larger) Good stuff, thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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