ES13Raven Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 What is the highest classification do you think most shooters can attain by natural talent and shooting matches alone? No practice, drills or dry fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combsie Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I made it to B around 67 years old - believe I would have made A if I kept shooting matches more often and were younger. Doubt I'd ever make M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boudreux Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Even with no outside training I believe they could make M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach1soldier Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'm sure you could make A class and maybe even M if really talented and capable of watching others and implementing in a match. The real question is how long it would take you. You can make A or M in a year with practice. I don't see that happening by talent alone in a less then 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 what do you mean by 'shooting matches'? do you mean shooting 1 match every month? or do you mean shooting a uspsa match every saturday with top shooters, doing the match again with a 2nd gun, and shooting steel challenge every tuesday and thursday? The real question is 'who cares?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 what do you mean by 'shooting matches'? do you mean shooting 1 match every month? or do you mean shooting a uspsa match every saturday with top shooters, doing the match again with a 2nd gun, and shooting steel challenge every tuesday and thursday? The real question is 'who cares?' I was talking about 1 match per week max. And if you don't care, why are you posting in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solvability Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 It would be interesting to see what Tyler Ingram says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 what do you mean by 'shooting matches'? do you mean shooting 1 match every month? or do you mean shooting a uspsa match every saturday with top shooters, doing the match again with a 2nd gun, and shooting steel challenge every tuesday and thursday? The real question is 'who cares?' I was talking about 1 match per week max.And if you don't care, why are you posting in this thread? Because he is motosapiens? So far I have made B in Open and Production. I rarely practice and dry fire. I shoot a match almost every weekend for 8 months out of the year. I am really struggling to make A in Open. Those Open classifiers are a bitch. I often joke the fastest way for me to make A in Open is to make M in Production! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Single Stack Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 My thought would also be "B" class for the typical shooter. This is with only shooting a match a week and no live fire or dry fire practice between. The next question would be based on a shooter's natural talent how many classes could the average shooter progress with a regimented dry fire (4x week) and live fire (1x week) plus weekly matches. From what I have seen historically, shooter's that initially classify as "D" usually top out at "B" while shooters whose initial classification was "B" or higher usually seem to make "M" fairly quickly. This is an improvement of two classes from initial classification for the typical shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Seems like every "good" shooter out there is a C shooter. Guys who are legitimately good at shooting, don't practice, and shoot matches basically end up a high C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 ask any expert in the training field and they will tell you that doing something only once a week is not even enough to maintain whatever skill level you have, never mind get better at that activity. so shooting 150 rds once a week at a match would basically be irrevelant. you could probably get lucky on a few classifiers and make C class but you'll never really get any better ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 GM. If you truly have 'natural talent' no practice is required.....or maybe a definition of natural talent is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardbird Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 For years I've only picked up a gun and shot a match once a month. I made B pretty easily. A on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 what do you mean by 'shooting matches'? do you mean shooting 1 match every month? or do you mean shooting a uspsa match every saturday with top shooters, doing the match again with a 2nd gun, and shooting steel challenge every tuesday and thursday? The real question is 'who cares?' I was talking about 1 match per week max.And if you don't care, why are you posting in this thread? thanks for the clarification. I *do* actually care, just not very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 GM. If you truly have 'natural talent' no practice is required.....or maybe a definition of natural talent is required. I meant your average shooter, average natural talent, not practicing and only shooting matches once a week max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 First, the "average" shooter does not shoot USPSA. Of those who do, no practice, if intelligent and athletic, yeah, probably B. But even shooting matches, you learn, so it is askew. The average shooter shows up at a USPSA match, lucky to get 40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Let's look at it by the official numbers: 2014 active members = 23,747 GM = 1.5% M = 5.8% A = 10.6% B = 24.8%C = 40.9% D = 16.5% Most shooters = C + B = 65.7% of the classified membership. 65.7% = 15,601 of which 62.3% are C shooters and 37.7% are B shooters. Now take out those that do drills, practice and dry fire - and only take shooters that shoot matches once a week max. What is the best they are going to rank? My guess would be C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRobson Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 At least A. I shoot about 1-2 match a month, have only has two practice sessions and easily made A as my first classification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidnal Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 B. Natural talent count for at least a class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimo-Hombre Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 At least A. I shoot about 1-2 match a month, have only has two practice sessions and easily made A as my first classification. But you are on here learning about shooting, ie. Training So you are out of the OP's category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Also, take a look at the classifier history for some of the folks who don't practice regularly. They're pretty up and down. Yes, they have the classification, but there's also inconsistency. Not saying that's true for everybody (we don't actually have any real data here, just several anecdotes), but it's a thought. This question is pretty hard to answer because of the definitions, which we haven't nailed down, and the lack of real data. Not sure if the definitions can be nailed down, actually. "Natural talent", "don't practice", "just do matches" (and what do they do at the matches? There's a lot to be learned if you do a lot of observing and asking questions), etc. I would guess that some people can come into a sport with varying degrees of "natural" ability and quickly learn the basics, get to whatever level their ability brings them to, and then level off (at D, or C, maybe a few at B or A...). No telling what they could do with real practice, coaching, etc. because they don't practice, for whatever reason. I'm one of the ones who has to work at it, but then Ben Stoeger says the same thing and tells us how he put in a ton of work (and still does). However, I doubt that my physiology will ever lead me to GM, even with tons of work ... but who knows? I'm definitely having a lot of fun. Edited January 26, 2015 by teros135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 At least A. I shoot about 1-2 match a month, have only has two practice sessions and easily made A as my first classification. So you never practiced with a handgun? Bought a gun, shot two practice sessions, no other training and classified as A? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caspian guy Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Eventually A or M if you stick to it long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 What is the highest classification do you think most shooters can attain by natural talent and shooting matches alone? No practice, drills or dry fire. This is weird question. Sounds like something I might hear at the Double X bar in Mesa. Que pasa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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