S&W686 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Information on the new IDPA Rule Book was sent out and information on the new CCP division was discussed and that there will not be an optic division at this time. There was nothing mentioned about dropping the ESR division in the memo. Is there still an ESR division or has that already been eliminated. Edited January 20, 2015 by S&W686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Assimilated into SSR and reduced to 155PF if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Assimilated into SSR and reduced to 155PF if I'm not mistaken. Where does it say that? Is there a new rulebook out? How come I always miss this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Assimilated into SSR and reduced to 155PF if I'm not mistaken. There was no mention of this in the update that was emailed out over the weekend. Where are you getting this information from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 We will know more once the rulebook is finalized. My source may be mistaken. Didnt realize this wasn't known to the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I think that would be spot on for ESR... 155 would make a big difference for us old guys.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty79 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 My 625 May yet live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueridge Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 So SSR is going to have the power factor raised to 155??? Cool!!! Although that may upset the regular SSR competitors. I will keep my loads at the 165 power factor that I have become accustomed to though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I interpret this to mean 155 for moon clip guns only but ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Hamby Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 My direct source (TT-v2.1) said speed-loaders = current SSR rules 105pf. Clipped ESR legal guns will be at 155pf. The other revolver changes were mostly irrelevant to most. We shall see soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 What "other" revolver changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akacala Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Any word on divison max weight? I'm hoping my ruger alaskan bis still legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 So will it just be a 155 major for moon clips, or will it be specific to 45 caliber. I'm wondering if it would be worth while to get my 686 mooned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Hamby Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Any moon regardless of caliber will require 155pf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) So will it just be a 155 major for moon clips, or will it be specific to 45 caliber. I'm wondering if it would be worth while to get my 686 mooned... Yea it does make it tempting to moon my 686 SSR. I am sitting on a box of magnus 200gr bullets; loaded @ 160PF thats only 800fps. Might have to work a load up and see how that one feels. Edited January 26, 2015 by Fordfan485 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I think combining moonclip vs speedloader revolvers using PF to balance would/will be a failure. One of the other will dominate the division and the other will be there just to be inclusive but not competitive. Look at USPSA Revolver division as an example. Minor/Major did not balance 6 vs 8 shot. I don't see how different power factors will be any more successful at balancing moonclips vs speedloaders. It will be interesting to see what the new rules are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johniac7078 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think combining moonclip vs speedloader revolvers using PF to balance would/will be a failure. One of the other will dominate the division and the other will be there just to be inclusive but not competitive. Look at USPSA Revolver division as an example. Minor/Major did not balance 6 vs 8 shot. I don't see how different power factors will be any more successful at balancing moonclips vs speedloaders. It will be interesting to see what the new rules are. My feelings exactly. IDPA did a disservice to revolver shooters by "fixing" something that is not broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granderojo Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) I'm waiting to see and read it in print before I renew my membership. I don't plan on staying if the ESR is done away with. I've done TOO MANY changes to my ESR gun already 1- no more 5" barrel, 2-Picture of the grip's max size w/dimensions. Not to mention that they were made to be smaller than a 2011 Mag well. Edited January 29, 2015 by granderojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 You may read about it in the Next Rules put out today. ESR and SSR are now "subdivisions" in Revolver. Your clip gun is still usable and at a lower power factor, 155. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueridge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Any word on divison max weight? I'm hoping my ruger alaskan bis still legal. Our Alaskans (I compete with one also) are still fine for ESR. The listed weight by Ruger (44oz) still leaves them too heavy for SSR. Interesting that both SSR and ESR are sub-categories of Revolver Division now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaseMarshall Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Seems a little odd thet they would lower the PF or ESR when it already has lower Classification scores than SSR On paper, lower classification scores = faster guns. We can only assume that the new 155 PF will make the clipped ESR guns even faster. I foresee the new Revolver division being ruled by the 625's. Maybe this was a conscience decision by Berryville to throw a bone to all the downtroten 625 shooters who just got displaced by the 8 shot Minor guns in USPSA. Or maybe they are just ensuring that their pals at S&W have a market to keep selling JM 625s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logiztix Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Seems a little odd thet they would lower the PF or ESR when it already has lower Classification scores than SSR On paper, lower classification scores = faster guns. We can only assume that the new 155 PF will make the clipped ESR guns even faster. I foresee the new Revolver division being ruled by the 625's. Maybe this was a conscience decision by Berryville to throw a bone to all the downtroten 625 shooters who just got displaced by the 8 shot Minor guns in USPSA. Or maybe they are just ensuring that their pals at S&W have a market to keep selling JM 625s. If they were doing anything for their pals at S&W, they would have lowered PF to about 145, so the S&W Governor that outsells the 625 at least 10:1 could play in the new division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Seems a little odd thet they would lower the PF or ESR when it already has lower Classification scores than SSR On paper, lower classification scores = faster guns. We can only assume that the new 155 PF will make the clipped ESR guns even faster. I foresee the new Revolver division being ruled by the 625's. Maybe this was a conscience decision by Berryville to throw a bone to all the downtroten 625 shooters who just got displaced by the 8 shot Minor guns in USPSA. Or maybe they are just ensuring that their pals at S&W have a market to keep selling JM 625s. If they were doing anything for their pals at S&W, they would have lowered PF to about 145, so the S&W Governor that outsells the 625 at least 10:1 could play in the new division. Why cant theS&W Governor play in SSR/ESR? Ammo only has to make powerfactor out of a 625(longest barrel gun in that div). I think the governor could be gamer gun for BUG Revolver since it only has a 2.75" barrel with some really slow 45 colts in speedloaders (or 45 auto rim) and the power factor is only 95 there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logiztix Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Seems a little odd thet they would lower the PF or ESR when it already has lower Classification scores than SSR On paper, lower classification scores = faster guns. We can only assume that the new 155 PF will make the clipped ESR guns even faster. I foresee the new Revolver division being ruled by the 625's. Maybe this was a conscience decision by Berryville to throw a bone to all the downtroten 625 shooters who just got displaced by the 8 shot Minor guns in USPSA. Or maybe they are just ensuring that their pals at S&W have a market to keep selling JM 625s. If they were doing anything for their pals at S&W, they would have lowered PF to about 145, so the S&W Governor that outsells the 625 at least 10:1 could play in the new division. Why cant theS&W Governor play in SSR/ESR? Ammo only has to make powerfactor out of a 625(longest barrel gun in that div). I think the governor could be gamer gun for BUG Revolver since it only has a 2.75" barrel with some really slow 45 colts in speedloaders (or 45 auto rim) and the power factor is only 95 there It can only play in REV if you have a 625 handy to play 'stunt gun' at the chrono. Ultimately, it has to make PF out of your gun in the absence of another to chrono from. A Governor as a BUG. Hmm, I wonder if it fits the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Seems a little odd thet they would lower the PF or ESR when it already has lower Classification scores than SSR On paper, lower classification scores = faster guns. We can only assume that the new 155 PF will make the clipped ESR guns even faster. I foresee the new Revolver division being ruled by the 625's. Maybe this was a conscience decision by Berryville to throw a bone to all the downtroten 625 shooters who just got displaced by the 8 shot Minor guns in USPSA. Or maybe they are just ensuring that their pals at S&W have a market to keep selling JM 625s. If they were doing anything for their pals at S&W, they would have lowered PF to about 145, so the S&W Governor that outsells the 625 at least 10:1 could play in the new division. Why cant theS&W Governor play in SSR/ESR? Ammo only has to make powerfactor out of a 625(longest barrel gun in that div). I think the governor could be gamer gun for BUG Revolver since it only has a 2.75" barrel with some really slow 45 colts in speedloaders (or 45 auto rim) and the power factor is only 95 there It can only play in REV if you have a 625 handy to play 'stunt gun' at the chrono. Ultimately, it has to make PF out of your gun in the absence of another to chrono from. A Governor as a BUG. Hmm, I wonder if it fits the box? Looks like it would except it is 1.75 wide. Box is 1.625 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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