johnsons1480 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I keep seeing "good accuracy" over and over with no numbers. What does everyone consider good? What's acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accu9 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I really like WST with bayou bullets. If you have not tried the 124 TCG bullet, you might want to order a sample pack I found the 124TCG bayou bullet to be far less forgiving in regards to OAL vs. the 124 RN. Really like the clean holes they leave in paper though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I really like WST with bayou bullets. If you have not tried the 124 TCG bullet, you might want to order a sample pack I found the 124TCG bayou bullet to be far less forgiving in regards to OAL vs. the 124 RN. Really like the clean holes they leave in paper though. Donnie mentioned that to me as well. I was looking for something I could load a lot longer than the 135 gr ones I've been using. 124 gr RN was the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KustomHolsters Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 3.6gr of TG 125 gr coated RN 1.135 makes 129 PF out of a 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstagn Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Anyone have a good load for 9mm (5inch m&p pro) 147gr coated (blue bullets) with claydot or e-3? Looking for a PF of 125-130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 This has gotten off the rails. This wasn't a thread for load data. This was a thread for discussing the accuracy of different powders. I'll ask the question again. What do you consider "good" accuracy from a production gun? What do you think is acceptable? I was told earlier that it's probably not my powder, and that I should slug my barrel. I bought fishing weights yesterday, and will be doing this on Thursday. Until then, if you have some side by side comparisons of N320 vs any other powder and found that powder to be more accurate, I would love to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Here is a group from my Taurus .45 @ 25yds off a rest. Edited December 9, 2014 by Steve RA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsg Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I shot 3200 124 RN Bayou through a stock 9mm RIA in 2013. They were over CCI SP primers and 3.8 grains of Titegroup in mixed cases. Yes they were a little smoky but they made 127 PF and regularly shot under 1.5" from the bench at 17 yards. I THINK they were loaded to 1.140 but I might be wrong. They were NOT shorter than 1.130 These same loads would not shoot any better than 2" ever in 2 different M&P pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I shot 3200 124 RN Bayou through a stock 9mm RIA in 2013. They were over CCI SP primers and 3.8 grains of Titegroup in mixed cases. Yes they were a little smoky but they made 127 PF and regularly shot under 1.5" from the bench at 17 yards. I THINK they were loaded to 1.140 but I might be wrong. They were NOT shorter than 1.130 These same loads would not shoot any better than 2" ever in 2 different M&P pistols. Thank you. I have some Titegroup at home I might try out back to back against these N320 loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I keep seeing "good accuracy" over and over with no numbers. What does everyone consider good? What's acceptable? Watching this with great interest......... Are you working on loads for the Glock or the CZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I keep seeing "good accuracy" over and over with no numbers. What does everyone consider good? What's acceptable?Watching this with great interest.........Are you working on loads for the Glock or the CZ? This is for the CZ. The Glock shot closer to 4" groups with the 135s, never tried it with the 124s. The 135s shoot between 5-6" in the CZ, and the 124s shoot between 6-7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I've read that the CZ's have a lot tighter chamber than the Glocks, which are HUGE! Was going to offer some 9mm/Glock info; but don't think it'll be relative to loading for the CZ. FWIW, my recent testing, which has been greatly hampered by the weather, is showing better results accuracy wise by increasing the OAL and bumping the PF to ~132-133....for the G17. Got some N320/147g Bayous loaded up at 1.142" to compare to the 135's; and see if a longer OAL might wake up the N320 loads. I've got some Titegroup but have reason to believe it would perform better with jacketed/plated type bullets. Also have quiet a bit of Bullseye that I'll probably try if the N320 doesn't work out. Hard to turn away from 8# of the N320; especially when so many shooters prefer it. IMO, if our guns & ammo aren't as accurate as possible, then our performance in competition will always be questionable..... Not sure if there's any Bullseye competitors here; but I think these comments are applicable to any serious shooter: http://www.bullseyepistol.com/cstomgun.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I have had the most consistent loads I've ever loaded with Bullseye and Blue Bullets. Don't have that exact load on target but it shoots just as good at 25yds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 AJE: Good grouping, and thanks for posting actual results! Don't know if it can be......but here's what I'm hoping to improve on with the G17G4 rested at 25yds: Bayou 135g @ 1.135" 3.7g N320 Temp: 68* Avg: 991fps ES: 20 SD: 6 PF: 133.79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm going to try to test again when the weather is nicer. I have some different bullets to try and I've had some trigger parts swapped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Would this be considered good enough? Maybe I'm fretting over nothing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I've actually gotten 25yd groups similar to that during testing with at least 2, 10 round tests. IMO, absolutely un-acceptable..... If this is from your CZ, have you determined what OAL your particular CZ likes using something similar to this? http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0 Also similar posts on this forum by using a particular bullet and wooden dowel..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TightLines Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Wow - I wish one of you guys shooting these groups at 25 yards lived near me. I'd like to see what my loads can do but I know for a fact I can't shoot that well off of a rest. Hell, I'm better shooting unsupported than I am from a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 I've actually gotten 25yd groups similar to that during testing with at least 2, 10 round tests. IMO, absolutely un-acceptable..... If this is from your CZ, have you determined what OAL your particular CZ likes using something similar to this? http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0 Also similar posts on this forum by using a particular bullet and wooden dowel..... These are double tested with similar accuracy. I tried 1.15, 1.25, 1.35, and 1.45. 1.135 shot the best, but all were very close Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 These are double tested with similar accuracy. I tried 1.115, 1.25, 1.35, and 1.45. 1.135 shot the best, but all were very close Edited. 1.15 should have been 1.115 Here's the groups. 1.145" was slightly bigger than 1.135", 1.125 got a little worse, then 1.115 looked like a shotgun pattern. This is all with 4.2 gr of N320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lc2hl Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 For what its worth, I have seen production guns tighten up grouping with heavier bullets. Have you tried the 135 or 147 and repeated the test? It does look like there is a stabilization issue going on if those are off a rest. My 9mm minor load, out of Glock, CZ, 1911, and 2011 all are within 1.5" out of a rest at 25 yards. BBI 147 with 2.9gr Titegroup (132pf), and BBI 125 with 4.8gr Autocomp (129pf) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Have you tried the 135 or 147 and repeated the test? 135 grain Bayou Bullets shot slightly worse groups than the 124 grain bullets. These groups were shot off a bag. I'm going to slug the barrel tomorrow afternoon, maybe I need to get them sized differently. FWIW, even though the groups from a bag aren't very good, and my glock shoots better from a bag, I shot 10x more accurately with this gun in my last match than I ever have with my Glock under match conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Still curious as to what your preferred OAL is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsons1480 Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Still curious as to what your preferred OAL is.... For 124 grain bullets, it was 1.135" out of the 4 lengths tested. It shot, on two different occasions, about an inch better than anything else. I was unwilling to go below 1.115" because I had so many case gauge failures with 135 grain bullets loaded at 1.100". This was the main driver for me to switch to 124 gr RN, to load longer to avoid case gauge failures with mixed headstamp brass. For 135 grain bullets, I can't load any longer than 1.100", so that was my preferred OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 http://www.the highroad.org/archive/index.php/t-691176.HTML Is above applicable to YOUR CZ? Sorry, I'm blocked at work and using the cell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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