rhino Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I understand the quest for speed, but what's the point of accepting any kind of hits? To me, if you're just wanting to hit the paper as fast as possible, we could probably find some teenagers at an arcade who play video games that we could train and eventually one of them will break 3.00 seconds with 12 holes in the paper. But what's the point? I'd much rather see Jake set a speed record for getting all 12 As! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos Custom Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 If you can do it in 3.00 and put 12 holes in paper, you can do it with 12 A's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 Bob, Your absolutely right. It is definetely possible, and I will strive to achieve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 There was a challenge a couple time put out by Gungames I think you had to do a 3.95 clean. the super squad at 2 nationals got a shot at it. Nobody did it. Not Robbie, Todd, Jerry. Doug Koenig was the closest at one I was at. Hehe, I think I was the only one to win anything off that contest... ...At the Canadian Nationals that year they ran a side event to that challenge, fastest score all A's. I won it with a 6 sec. run with a borrowed gun. There were faster runs, but none could hook up the 12 A's needed. Got a nice shiny new timer out of that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 I will now reiterate. The sub 3 el prez WILL be done. "...when he realized that he could KNOW he could hit targets as fast as he could "not know" whether he was hitting or missing - he was unstoppable." BE Get 'em Jake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeper Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 3 seconds is definately possible. I would want it on video when you get close to the attempt. Being able to do high 3's with only a few points down every time is what the game is about though. Go get um Jake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Thread drift,Man why was everyone mad at the freakin tiger. Everyone saying that tiger went crazy. That tiger didn't go crazy, that tiger went tiger. The tiger was crazy when it was riding the little bike with the freakin helmet on. hehe Chris Rocks BTW Eric G did a 3.95 full house run on one of his videos. I think that is a good starting point. God, I love this "f*#k the rules and self-imposed boundaries" stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamakiri Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Hi Jake... Well, if you do succeed, it'll be a hell of an achievement. Count me as one of those who'll be following your progress with interest. Coupla questions... 1. What are your best time and best hit factor so far? 2. Are you using your Production gear (which would make a sub-3 even more impressive) or something with a big honkin' mag well and a comp? Best of luck, Elye A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Everyone also told Roger Bannister the 4 minute mile couldn't be done, including doctors who said it was physically impossible... I've heard and read statements like this many times, and I have no idea where they come from. Read Bannister's book, The Four-Minute Mile. Everyone knew the four-minute mile was possible. For years before Bannister broke that barrier, people had been nipping at it. It was obvious that eventually someone was going to do it. Bannister's challenge wasn't to do something that everyone thought was impossible. It was to do it first, before any of the handful of other people in the world who might have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Bottom Line, Sub 3 , No Way! Oh of course, it's possible. Travis Tomasie has done 3.2s several times with decent hits. That says to me that 3.0 or less is certainly within the realm of human performance, especially if someone dedicates themselves wholeheartedly to doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted January 29, 2005 Author Share Posted January 29, 2005 Hey guys, Spook, I was wondering who would catch that. ;) kamakiri, I haven't shot an el prez with my open gun yet, however with a Production gun my best run was 52 points in around 4.3. I will be going after this goal with my race gun. For everyone who thinks it isn't possible, I was talking it over with TT in email throughout the day, I'll post one of the paragraphs he sent me. "I do believe it's possible to do that El Prez....especially with an IPSC start and not a classifier start. Back in '96 I did several 3.1x's. My best was a 3.17 (11 down though!) with my Open gun. I was dry firing about 4 hours a day. I used a par time of 3.2 in live fire to help get me down there. My reloads were in the mid .60's. Now, I couldn't keep all the hits on the paper consistently when I made the par. Let me know when you get it under 3.17 and I'll start working on my El Prez again." - TT Alrighty guys, back to practice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 I understand the quest for speed, but what's the point of accepting any kind of hits? To me, if you're just wanting to hit the paper as fast as possible, we could probably find some teenagers at an arcade who play video games that we could train and eventually one of them will break 3.00 seconds with 12 holes in the paper. But what's the point? "Because it's there." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Jake, I actually sent a link to the this thread to Travis, inviting him to chime in. Looks like you already knew the man to talk to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 11 points down, 3.17 seconds, HF of 15.457 i wonder what the best TGO could do? edited to note that steve andersons SLOWER run of 3.69 with 58pts still gives better HF Just pokin holes in targets in under 3.0 seconds aint gonna cut it. i want to see a 2.95 run with 60 pts, at a major match.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Imagine the confidence level of a guy who pulls off a 3 flat or sub 3 elprez... Think about his draw, his reload, his turn, his splits, his transitions. Those skills will be useful on every stage, and they will be formidable. SA btw, it could just as easily be a girl who gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Nothing like being timely... I have it on good authority that the El Prez will be run at the Ohio Section match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Aren't we mixing two seperate things here and confusing the disscusion because of it? Jake is setting himself the challenge of running an El Pres in 3 seconds. He's not claiming he can do it at a match or do it with all As. He's even broken down the goal into sub-goals which, while being very difficult, don't look beyond the bounds of possibility. Anyone who's dry firing at 1:35am and made high M his first classification with an Open gun seems to have the right stuff to push boundaries Jake, don't pay any attention to the "nay" sayers, go for it and let us know when you've done it! You've already said that you understand it's a "party trick" and realize what it means in the grand scheme of things but it's still worth doing. I'll be impressed with a 3 second run even if the hit factor is 8 Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Jake is setting himself the challenge of running an El Pres in 3 seconds. He's not claiming he can do it at a match or do it with all As. What's that got to do with the price of bananas? The point is to feed Jake so much negative energy he quits and takes up competitive badminton. Bad Jake! Bad bad Jake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 Kevin, Thanks for the kind words! Eric, Bite me. (Totally kidding bro. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I got your back Jake Not only do I think Jake can do it..... He will do it before USPSA nationals, AND make top 5 at USPSA nationals AND that Anderson Feller will do it too maybe not before Nationals though as if he is going to win Nationals he needs to not worry about a sub 3 El Prez.... GO for it Jake and Steve..... I can back you up for 6 shots !!!! Hopalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 There is nothing like the pursuit of a lofty goal to help the learning process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I have it on good authority that the El Prez will be run at the Ohio Section match. something tells me the source of that information isnt credible Jake, good luck, I think your gonna need it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I get a solid feeling that Jake is gonna do this and real soon now. Anytime you can break something down into a doable set of individual parts, putting it back together as a whole piece is just one more step and not that much harder in the world of things if you are certain that it can be done. Right on Jake. I saw Voigt do a Vice Prez (7 yards, no turn) down around 3 flat back in 1989 at Reno in a sidematch. It seemed awesome at the time, still is actually. IMHO, if anyone says that adding a turn and 3 yards to this makes it unattainable is underestimating the competitive spirit. Heck, anything under 9- 10 seconds for a Prez was thought to be hot shjt back in the 70's and early eighties. Things change and I welcome it. Everyone now! Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake....... -- Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Now, if we could just get El Prez back in a major match, you stand to pick up at least 10-15 points....or loose 30! If there's one thing certain about a "sub 3 second El-Prez," it's that I'll never be the guy doing it! 3.82 down 3 is as good as I've ever done, and that was luck. Maybe most of our goals should be geared more toward consistency. Is it better to do a 2.99 el prez once, or to do ten 4.5's in a row? I once performed a .54 reload A to A at 5 yards...then started to think...why? Now my goal is to average sub 1's all the time at 10yds. Good luck Jake...you're gonna need it. Just make sure the video camera is running. Hell, I'd like to see a sub 3.5 on video....with some hits! Forever slow Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Heck, anything under 9- 10 seconds for a Prez was thought to be hot shjt back in the 70's and early eighties. I knew I started this game too late..... Best time ever: Around 7.3 seconds with a G-21. Average on demand usually around 9...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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