redmist10 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Well, I guess SSR or ESR it really doen't matter. At least it is good news for Bill Wilson. He can't take blame for this one like he is for the rule changes UPS called to say they lost my customized Model 625 . Then they acted shocked that I went off on them for their stupid "Next-Day Air" policy that handguns have to be shipped this way....wonder why? Because they hire thieves? Perhaps? I know of three people just in my immediate area that had handguns lost by UPS. Now to call my gunsmith and ream him for not using FedEx..... I HATE UPS! And I'm not too please with my gunsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Please tell us it was insured for more than the full value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 16, 2005 Author Share Posted January 16, 2005 Please tell us it was insured for more than the full value. Checking with my gunsmith...for his sake I hope so. Should that be leaking from my ear like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Ouch! sorry to hear your misfortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 That SUCKS! Watch GunBroker. I have heard of more than one hot gun turning up over there after it has been moved around a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 16, 2005 Author Share Posted January 16, 2005 That SUCKS!Watch GunBroker. I have heard of more than one hot gun turning up over there after it has been moved around a few times. ...and they have the balls to say that they don't have a problem with guns being shipped..... My brother-in-law had a Ruger MK II stolen while enroute from a different custom shop....coincidence - I think not. UPS sucks. I wonder if I can get FedEx sponsorship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 UPS sucks. I wonder if I can get FedEx sponsorship? Don't let EricW hear about this. EricW's issues with FedEx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 16, 2005 Author Share Posted January 16, 2005 I knew I had read a rant about this topic long ago.... I could only get through about a third of the first page of posts before everything started going blurry and my nose started bleeding. What makes it such a pisser is that they can't even deliver a package within the same state. It is only about 70 miles from my house! "Service is dead." I hate UPS. And for Eric's sake I hate FedEx too... If you mail it in separate boxes it can be considered "metal parts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpolans Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 I knew I had read a rant about this topic long ago.... I could only get through about a third of the first page of posts before everything started going blurry and my nose started bleeding. What makes it such a pisser is that they can't even deliver a package within the same state. It is only about 70 miles from my house! "Service is dead." I hate UPS. And for Eric's sake I hate FedEx too... If you mail it in separate boxes it can be considered "metal parts." First, if it's only 70 miles away in the same state, why not just drive it over or meet somewhere? Second, don't count on sending that frame as "spare parts"...you might wind up wearing steel bracelets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision40 Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 I shipped a handgun UPS next day air several weeks ago. Cost me $57 to overnight it. It actually took 5 days and UPS blamed it on "weather." They absolutely refused to rebate me back the difference between next day air and regular ground. As far as I'm aware, it's not a federal law that pistols be shipped next day air, only a UPS policy. So from now on I'm just going to ship "machine parts" via regular ground. Unfortunately, UPS is the only carrier within an hour of where I live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos Custom Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 UPS has the upper hand either way. If you ship them as machine parts and insure them for $2500 and they then "lose" them you will not collect on your insurance when you start telling them it was really a pistol. I have never had one lost, I guess I am lucky, but I insure every one sometimes shipping out packages worth 5 or 10 thousand dollars. When you insure it for $1,000 a separate report prints out and all of a sudden they use different procedures - the separate report has to be signed (extra copy) and it gets different handling. If you insure it for $5,000 another different report gets printed and they all of a sudden start handling it completely different - it gets taken to the depot right away and signed for by a supervisor. The insurance is on 0.035 per $100 so I would always insure every thing for at least $1000 - only cost $3.50. Not much compared to the next day air. One of the ones I insured for over $5000 and sent out on a Friday for Monday delivery got delivered on Saturday because they did not want to hold it any longer than necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwell Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 redmist- Very Sorry to hear about your gun. THAT SUCKS!! Brazos- Hey Bob thank you for easing my crazy mind, I'll sleep better tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 But it kind of pisses me off that we have to pay UPS extra money to do their job properly. Maybe I should start doing that. Okay, the server is running. Oh? You want it on the network too? Well, that will be extra! Yeah...I'll still be employeed after I do that...for about 30 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carinab Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 After the merger with Kinko's, there are rumors that FedEx may merge with UPS. There is some question as to what the new company will be called. The front runner name at the moment is FedUp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 (edited) I suppose a post merger name of "UPSex" would be too much to hope for.... Edited January 16, 2005 by kimel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwell Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 But it kind of pisses me off that we have to pay UPS extra money to do their job properly. Kimel- Agreed! The reason Bob's post eased my mind is because I received a call from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I suppose a post merger name of "UPSex" would be too much to hope for.... It would be apropos, however... just think of all the screwing that they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacblack Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) But it kind of pisses me off that we have to pay UPS extra money to do their job properly. Thats to help with the insurance pay out after thier employee's steal our guns. Putting the over night label on a package the size and weight a gun would be packed in humm.........wonder how they know its a gun. Why not just have a sticker "HANDGUN INSIDE". About USPS We did a story at the TV station I work at last fall. That only 14% of insurance claims from the USPS were approved. Seems they were using every detail they could to deny the rest. The government is suppossed to be looking into it, I feel so much better. I never tell them whats in the package and I don't ship it over night, so far its worked. Of course its causing me and many friends not to buy other then local, [edit] Not to steal the thread with my ranting. Let us know if you get you money back at least or if they "find it". Anyway I have been thru about 25 guns most before I lost my trust in sending them anywhere, not to mention the added cost and hassel. Which really sucks for getting nice custom work done on any guns also, by the time you add in the extra cost of shipping and hope you get it back its like another form of gun control. Edited January 17, 2005 by jhgtyre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 First, if it's only 70 miles away in the same state, why not just drive it over or meet somewhere? It was actually warranty work on his previous job so I didn't want to invest my time and more money on something that was not of my own doing. The barrel was loose and canted to one side making the front sight crooked....and because that is the business of UPS to ship things so I don't have to get on my horse and buggy and drive every dang place. ...add that to the list of "hates." I hate driving back and forth to a place that you paid for a service and you have to go back in order to get it done right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I shipped a handgun UPS next day air several weeks ago. Cost me $57 to overnight it. It actually took 5 days and UPS blamed it on "weather." They absolutely refused to rebate me back the difference between next day air and regular ground. As far as I'm aware, it's not a federal law that pistols be shipped next day air, only a UPS policy. So from now on I'm just going to ship "machine parts" via regular ground. Unfortunately, UPS is the only carrier within an hour of where I live. I beleive the UPS policy applies only to complete guns, and may not apply to lowers or frames. Two "regular" packaged are a lot cheaper than one overnighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpolans Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 About shipping guns as "machined parts." It might be a FedEx/UPS policy to ship firearms by overnight only, but it's federal law that requires you to notify a common carrier (FedEx/UPS) that you're shipping a firearm. I ain't a lawyer, but if you're unlucky, calling a frame "machined parts" might have you arguing the definition with an Assistant U.S. Attorney, rather than some FedEx/UPS lackey with your 2nd Amendment rights and about 5 years of federal pound-you-in-the-ass type of prison time hanging in the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Putting the over night label on a package the size and weight a gun would be packed in humm.........wonder how they know its a gun. Why not just have a sticker "HANDGUN INSIDE". That's why I still subscribe to the daily paper. I've got big boxes, bubble wrap and a tape gun left over from the last move --- so when I shipped a gun back to the manufacturer for some work, it ended up in the middle of a huge box..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmist10 Posted January 18, 2005 Author Share Posted January 18, 2005 About shipping guns as "machined parts."It might be a FedEx/UPS policy to ship firearms by overnight only, but it's federal law that requires you to notify a common carrier (FedEx/UPS) that you're shipping a firearm. I ain't a lawyer, but if you're unlucky, calling a frame "machined parts" might have you arguing the definition with an Assistant U.S. Attorney, rather than some FedEx/UPS lackey with your 2nd Amendment rights and about 5 years of federal pound-you-in-the-ass type of prison time hanging in the balance. Don't Ask, Don't Tell....just like the guvmint' says..... Usually they ask "is there anything, explosive, flammable, etc." to which I always answer "nope." Frankly, it's none of their damn business what's in the box. If they are that worried they should have security in the form of drug/explosive detection devices or pay some pimple-faced kid to look at the box with X-Ray. Its a tool....it won't go off or do any damage if they leave it in the damn box where it belongs! .....but after reading the pound-you-in-the-ass type of prison time line I might have to reconsider...thanks for the visual bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 The US Federal Law that requires a shipper to notify a common carrier (USP, FedEx, etc) that the package contains a firearm is 18 U.S.C. 922(a)( 2)( A) and 922(e), 27 CFR 178.31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 UPS has an internal policy not to ship guns from individuals only from FFL's. The problem is that most of their employee's don't know the company rules. If you as an individual ship a gun and it gets lost you're going to have problems collecting because they will fall back on their policy even though they shipped it. On another gun forum I read about an individual in this predicament who's very expensive gun was lost, he was hiring attorneys but I don't know how it turned out. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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