Sgtsvi Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I am getting my conversion kit from BE and have a question. I already have a set of dillon dies with a LFC die. Will the LFC take the bulge out of the brass or do I need to order an EGW undersize die. I just want to make sure I have everything at one time instead of piecing things together a little at a time. I will be firing once fired brass from my department range and almost all of it was fired in G22's. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achard Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I replaced the orginal resizing die to egw and since then I don't have any problem. My ammon gauge is now useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 The Factory crimp die will not do full length or undersize resizing, only crimping. Get yourself a Lee or EGW undersize sizing die and never look back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeper Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I have a EGW die and a friend uses the standard lee sizing die. Neither of us have problems at all with once fired glock brass. I think the only problem sizer is the dillon one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgtsvi Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 Thanks guys. I will find egw's site and place an order. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 yeah, I finally listened to everyone on here, and have the LEE "U" die, the Redding Micro Seater, and the LEE FCD. I then had the FCD drilled to accept my round counter. All that on a 1050? As that guy with the bad haircut in the conference room on the Deathstar said: This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.40AET Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I ran the EGW die for a couple of months and then went back to the standard Lee sizing die. The press runs smoother without the EGW die. Get a 4-die set from Lee which will include the FDC and then buy the EGW. That way you will have everything and you can test for yourself which one you like the best. The Lee 4-die set is $26 at Midway and the EGW die is $22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Dave, I found the following post from Brian interesting: Thread drift on the bulged 40 problem... No commercial die manufacturer (Dillon or otherwise) makes dies that resize all the way to the bottom of the case. Nor should they, because the lower, thicker, base of the case should not need to be resized if the round was fired in chamber that was designed to SAMMI specs. Which Glock chose to ignore when they built their 40 cal pistol. In order to make it easy for them to manufacture a pistol that would reliably feed the 40 S&W, they ignored the SAMMI specs for a fully supported chamber for 40 S&W, and instead throated the 40's chamber. Now the country (and world) is flooded with once-fired (in a Glock), bulged 40 brass that conventional dies won't properly resize. The problem is not with Dillon or any other die manufacturer, it is with Glock (and other pistol manufacturer) for making barrels that are not to SAMMI specs. Could you imagine a rifle manufacturer saying - ...Well let's see, let's throat the chamber of our auto-loading .308 rifle so it will feed easier. Then we don't have to do our work to properly design the gun. Wow - look at how much more money we'll make, and, we'll make all the reloading/die manufacturers lives a nightmare as they attempt to correct a problem we started! That may seem a tad dramatic but it really isn't. The 40 S&W should only be fired in a fully supported chamber, period. In addition, the lower web section (last .010-.015") of any case was never intended to be resized, as doing so not only significantly shortens the life of the brass, but it makes the loaded round more dangerous if it is fired in a non-fully-supported chamber. be It came from This Thread, which contains another clarifying post on the second page..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgtsvi Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 I just ordered my EGW die a few minutes ago. I will use the EGW to resize and the dillons and LFC die to finish. I also have a couple of cans of Hornady one shot on hand to smooth everything out. Now I just have to research all the various loads out on the forum. I will be using Berrys 180 gr. bullets TG powder-looks like the average is between 4.3 and 4.7 gr. winchester SP primers-although I see alot of people use SR primers. I dont know if I will need to change or not. Thanks for all the help guys Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I see alot of people use SR primers. My guess is it's less a function of necessity (high pressure loads) and more a function of two things: they shoot Open as well as Limited/L10/Production and need the SR primers for the Open blaster(s) and, then, decided it's easier to deal with one kind of primer for all loads. Stick with the SP primers. Running TG and 180s you shouldn't be seeing signs of pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoNsTeR Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I will be using Berrys 180 gr. bullets I've had some trouble with Berry's 40cal bullets being undersized, resulting in low neck tension and setback. You may want to turn down your expander .001" if you experience this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpnBlstr Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I see alot of people use SR primers. Stick with the SP primers. Running TG and 180s you shouldn't be seeing signs of pressure. Yep, stick with standard SP primers. I used to shoot lots of 40/180 with both Clays and VV310. Only used standard Winchester SP primers and never had pressure signs on the primer. I even had to load to just over std length because of my CZ frame. With 1.200 there shouldn't be any pressure problems with the SP primers. My super loads chrono 178 and I use SP primers in those with absolutely no problems whatsoever. The primers look like standard 9mm. After the chrono in Rolla put me minor year before last (BS btw) I worked up a 190pf load that I'll use the next time I go back there (I can't wait to see the chrono guy's face as he torches off one of THOSE babies!!). Those primers were starting to show signs but nothing to make me nervous. The only thing to watch out for when loading the high pressure 40 is primer shaving caused by an incorrectly timed pistol. If the pistol unlocks just a HAIR too early it can easily cut off little moon shaped pieces of primer that fill the firing pin hole and will eventually cause misfires. I did some experimenting years ago trying to fix this in a 9mm by using SR primers and it didn't change anything. One other thing, SR primers are a little taller than the SP primers which could actually exacerbate the shaving problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 One other thing, SR primers are a little taller than the SP primers SR and SP primers are the same size. Material and cup thickness varies of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpnBlstr Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 My Hornady manual, 4th edition, pg 27 says that "...rifle primers normally have a greater overall height and contain more detonating mix than pistol primers of the same size." I wanted empirical data so I just took six live brand new CCI primers (3x400 and 3x500), pulled out the anvils with an X-Acto knife, and measured the cups. The results seem counter to Hornady. The rifle primer cup average height was 0.110 and the pistols were 0.115. Cup thickness (as best I could measure with my digital calipers) was 0.015 for pistol and 0.020 for rifle. I know the rifle cup thickness is correct from past experience loading rifles with CCI - no prior knowledge on the pistol though. Perhaps CCI is the abnormal....perhaps it really doesn't matter....who knows. I'm not about to take apart any more primers to test Winchester, etc - still need to clean my shorts from these six! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Jones Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Is the EGW die made by Lee, or are they different from the Lee "U" die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgtsvi Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 I received my EGW die and installed it. My press doesnt seem too clunky like some of you all told me. The One shot probably helps with that problem. The EGW die is a Lee undersizing die that has been machined to size the full length of the brass. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Jones Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Thanks for the info Dave. Does anyone know if this is also an issue with 10mm brass fired in a Glock, or is it limited to the .40 Glock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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