ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Made it out to the range today to do some chrono testing. I did 5 runs as follows: Red Dot - 124g Blue and 147g Bayou and Blue Titegroup - 147g Bayou and Blue I even did some group shooting afterwards for you groupies out there . All loads where shot through my M&P 9mm pro with stock barrel. Groups were shot off hand at approximately 15 yards (15 long paces from shooting position). Red Dot 3.8g with Blue 125g @ 1.130 Avg velocity: 1051 Avg PF: 130 SD: 11.7 ES: 33 Red Dot 3.0g with Bayou 147 @ 1.135 Avg velocity: 861 Avg PF: 126 (too close for comfort!) SD: 11.9 ES: 38 Two of the 10 rounds went sub-minor by 1 and 3 FPS respectively. I need to repeat this test with them loaded at 1.125 Red Dot 3.0g with Blue 147 @ 1.135 Avg velcity: 875 Avg PF: 128 (too close for comfort as well!) SD: 10.2 ES: 26 All rounds made minimum power factor. I need to repeat test with them loaded at 1.125 Titegroup 3.1g with Bayou 147 @ 1.135 Avg Velocity: 896 Avg PF: 131 SD: 9.8 ES: 25 Titegroup 3.1g with Blue 147 @ 1.135 Avg Veocity: 909 Avg PF: 133 SD: 13.3 ES: 46 I will post the group shots as replies. Edited to correct 124g bullet. My wife doesn't seem to know the difference between a Bayou and Blue Edited July 21, 2014 by ZackJones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Group shooting isn't a skill set I have but I did manage to at least hit the paster once. The pasters were used for aiming point. EDIT: Blue 125g with Red Dot. Edited July 21, 2014 by ZackJones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Best goup of the bunch. This was Red Dot with Bayou 147. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Red Dot Blue Bullets 147g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Titegroup with Bayou 147g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Last one. Titegroup with Blue Bullets 147g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the data. How about smoking? I loaded some of the new coated bullets the other day with Titegroup and had a friend step back and just judge "smoke". Ummm... Let me think of a good word to describe it... Oh yeah "chimney" I was really hoping the Titegroup would work, I like that powder. Edited July 21, 2014 by Butterpuc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Here's what I got with blue bullet 147gr round nose, 3.0gr Red Dot @1.125". Glock 34: String 1 Max: 933 Min: 902 Range: 31 Ave: 916 Std Dev: 10.00 Max Power Factor: 138.9 Avg Power Factor: 136.5 Min Power Factor: 134.4 String 2 (gun was a little heated up at this point) Max: 949 Min: 922 Range: 27 Ave: 935 Std Dev: 10.73 Max Power Factor: 141.4 Avg Power Factor: 139.3 Min Power Factor: 137.4 Also wanted to try them out of a shorter barrel, in case I need to use a backup gun at a match, be it a 17, 19, or 26. Glock 26: (didn't put it on paper for groups yet) String 1: Max: 897 Min: 856 Range: 41 Ave: 879 Std Dev: 13.62 Max Power Factor: 133.7 Avg Power Factor: 131.0 Min Power Factor: 127.5 String 2: Max: 903 Min: 880 Range: 23 Ave: 889 Std Dev: 8.66 Max Power Factor: 134.5 Avg Power Factor: 132.5 Min Power Factor: 131.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 How about smoking? I loaded some of the new coated bullets the other day with Titegroup and had a friend step back and just judge "smoke". Ummm... Let me think of a good word to describe it... Oh yeah "chimney" I didn't notice any smoke but I rarely notice it for any of the loads I shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Here's what I got with blue bullet 147gr round nose, 3.0gr Red Dot @1.125". Thanks. Looks like 1.125 is the way to go with Red Dot and 147g's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I shot them in a match yesterday and there's no noticeable smoke at all. The 3.0 Red Dot and 147gr blue was my best grouping load, too. Edited July 21, 2014 by AJE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 You need to quit posting that damn picture - it just reminds me how much better of a shot you are than I am . I'm going to load some up at 1.125 and chrono them after the steel challenge match on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EA308 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I just started looking at 9mm Blue Bullets. Thanks for posting your load data for these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 I just started looking at 9mm Blue Bullets. Thanks for posting your load data for these. Welcome to the club. If there's anything we fellow 9mm reloaders can help with don't hesitate to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 An important note about calculating the power factor for the 147gr blues... they weigh in for me typically at 149 and change, so I used 149 instead of 147 to calculate the power factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 An important note about calculating the power factor for the 147gr blues... they weigh in for me typically at 149 and change, so I used 149 instead of 147 to calculate the power factor. I'll check mine tonight. I've done a few random samples and the weights have varied. Some over, some under and some right on. While I'm at it I'll check all of the bullets I have on hand and see what I come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 If you ever need just a little more thump I run 3.4gr Titegroup under 147gr Blue and Bayou bullets. Makes 143 PF out of my XDM 5.25 and accuracy is very good, similar to AJE's target above. Barely any more recoil than my 109 PF steel challenge load with a different bullet, but makes the steel jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I have one pound of Titegroup and now one pound of Bullseye to try when I get around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Brannon Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Thanks for posting results gentlemen, with powder hit & miss you had best have data for several brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokihsa Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Zach - Thanks for helping out with the range time and chrono. I am looking forward to shooting again with you this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJE Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I was watching the video of my match over the weekend. There is a little smoke I notice from the Red Dot/Blue Bullets (look on the indoor stages) but not enough that I noticed while shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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