B.J. Norris Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I got the new Front Sight today and saw that there will not be shootoffs at this years Handgun Nationals. The Shootoffs were the perfect way to end the match and really top things off, its really fun to not only watch the top shooters go head-to-head, but also listen to the joking and teasing going on between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter_rob Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I agree, not to mention it is a tradition. I think we should all complaine to USPSA, it can't take that much planning to have the shoot off's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 That is totally lame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 If the shootoffs at the 2004 Nationals lasted 3 hrs max( i don't seem to remember them lasting that long though) then each one would be cut in half (basicly)... Seems like they(Match organizers) could find 2 hrs to get it in before prize awards that evening? Sounds to me like some body has decided not to even try too hard for this "Tradition" to go on.... I'm with ROB on this... Hopalong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I'm surprised by this. The shootoffs seem to always be enjoyed by everyone although the RO's are past needing a break by then. In the early days the actual championship was decided by the shootoffs, the match was just a qualifier to get into the shootoff. I think the experience you gain from being in a shootoff at a big match can't be obtained anywhere else. I know I've never had the adrenalin kick my butt as bad as in a shootoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Yea I wonder why they aren't on either. Its a tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwhiz Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 And what about the newer shooter who's goal is to make the shootoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Each time I have watched the shoot-offs at Nationals the number of eligible shooters that actually show up seems to be declining, perhaps that is the reason for it's removal. Also consider this; Usually the shootoffs follow the last day of the match and the prize distribution is done later that day. By removing the shoot-offs it means that the prize giving can be done the evening of the last day of the match, thereby saving everyone an additional night in the hotel. This was an issue raised at the Membership meeting that was held in Quincy at last years Nationals. A night in a hotel is about $60, plus you are back home a day early.... Well worth it in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I skipped the shootoffs this year because they were in Barry and I and the awards were both in Quincy. Hold 'em on the last day of the match and I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Crap...there goes my goal for the year. BTW...we WILL have shoot-off at the Ohio match. Shoot-offs rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEDELLCUSTOM Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 what's up with that, no shootoffs. last year a good friend and customer of mine, john guida, finished 15th in limited. he called my wife and i to tell us how pumped up he was that he was going to the shootoffs. a few hours later he calls me back to tell me that they aren't taking the top 16 but the top 12. i thought that was the most ridiculous thing i ever heard. here is a guy that busted his ass all these years in this sport to get to that level and someone decides to change it all at the last minute and cut him and a few other deserving shooters out of some of the spotlight. what a bunch of crap, i think i was more pissed off than john was. now there is not to be any shootoffs at all, what the f!%* are they thinking, it's a tradition that should be kept in the match. who's idea was this and what's next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Probably because the match will still be shooting on Saturday. Maybe the shootoff's will have to be done with flashlights!!!!!! That would make it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwhiz Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 the old Golden Eagle match used to have a Sat. night shootoff under the lights. I'll bet PASA could come up with something, if they were asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 I would gues that it is a logistic/staff issue. Won't most of the staff be up on the range, working their stages over for the second half of the Nationals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoonie Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Pasa needs a shootoff setup like the Frank Garcia's, it only takes one man to set all the steel. Each popper has an air cylinder hooked up in network to a compressor and surge tank, open a valve and presto, the steel sets itself! The only need then is to paint the steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyFL Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 It's BS is what it is. Everybody likes the shoot off's. Hopefully they will come to their senses and change their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Money talks gentlemen. It seems that the membership asked why the nationals was in the red. This may be on cost/time cutting effort. If the membership wants auto reset poppers for the shoot offs, I would suggest talking to USPSA and have them budget them into the nationals expense. PASA is only a host club. I am for having it a Franks place............in the middle of July. I am all for having the shoot offs, but if they are done the same as '04 you can have them. The '04 shoot offs were a joke. Include the top 16 from each division. As for the Ladies, well........set it up however you want, I will come watch. When you talk about the nationals remember who is supposed to be the one in charge of getting it organized (dates, location, BUDGET). If you don't know the answer call Sedro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 If USPSA covers me on the materials and shipping, I will build the auto reset poppers at zero labor dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 It is all a prat of having two nationals back to back. If they held one big match again we could heve the shootoffs. True the income for the two MAY turn out to be larger, but I feel the real reason was to allow some of the Top Doggies to compete twice. Heck, I may try to do both as well, but only because the extra time is minimal and the only real expense is a couple more days in a Hotel and a few more meals. Oh, and $250 more in match fees. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision40 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 I would gues that it is a logistic/staff issue. Won't most of the staff be up on the range, working their stages over for the second half of the Nationals? Do you really need all the NROI present to have a shoot-off? Why not a dozen or so members step up and volunteer to set it up? What's so hard about it? I'm sure a vast majority of the shooters at the Natl's are RO's or CRO's anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Maybe we could get a little input from the Area Directors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgary Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Maybe we could get a little input from the Area Directors? Only if we can get some input from the Pres. I didn't know about the no-shootoffs until I read it here. My *guess* is that it is a logistical thing, because if you look at the schedule, one match basically starts at the same time the other is ending. There isn't a "free day" for the staff to change over the stages and all. But that's just a guess. We have a Board meeting this coming weekend. I'll ask the question, and post what I hear back. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Thanks Bruce. I hope the weather cooperates. Even a half day rain out will put them off the schedule. I am sure people will be making their plans to fly out sunday morning. If the match gets delayed it's going to cause travel problems. With putting the shoot offs and awards on their own day then if there is a delay the cushion could be the cancelling of the shoot offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Thanks Bruce.I hope the weather cooperates. Even a half day rain out will put them off the schedule. I am sure people will be making their plans to fly out sunday morning. If the match gets delayed it's going to cause travel problems. With putting the shoot offs and awards on their own day then if there is a delay the cushion could be the cancelling of the shoot offs. Wouldn't rain in July in Barry be a blessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 If USPSA covers me on the materials and shipping, I will build the auto reset poppers at zero labor dollars. Eric thank you for offering to build them. Now you need to contact Sedro and work out the details. I am sure Dave T will be glad to hear from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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