JasonK Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 2. Criteria of an IDPA Approved Holster Holsters: A. Must be designed for concealed carry and suitable for all day continuous wear. B. Must be worn on a standard belt of no more than 1 ¾” width that must pass through the belt loops on the shooter’s pants. C. Must fully cover the trigger of the firearm. D. Must carry the firearm in a neutral (vertical) or muzzle rear cant, but have no adjustable cant backpieces. E. Must hold the firearm with enough tension to allow the wearer to complete normal daily tasks without fear of loosing the weapon. F. Can have no offset backpieces and/or belt slots. The holster may not offset away from the belt and/or body. No gap is permitted in the following areas: 1. From the body to the inside of the belt. 2. From the outside of the belt to the inside of the backpiece and/or backside of the holster. 3. From the outside of the backpiece to the inside of the holster. If you look through the belt slot area of the holster with it on the belt/body, you should not be able to see any daylight. If you can see through this belt tunnel area, the holster is not approved. Holster/backpiece must be constructed of “normal thickness” common holster making materials, no filler is allowed to hide an offset. In simple terms, the back of the holster must be held tightly against the outside of the belt for proper concealed carry (for questions, refer to #1 above and re-read the “Purpose” section in the front of this rulebook).¹ G. Must be constructed of normal thickness common holster making materials. H. May not position the firearm where the breech face (autos) or rear of the cylinder (revolvers) is below the center of the belt. NO drop loops are permitted.³ Holsters for females may position the breech face of a pistol or rear of the cylinder of a revolver up to 1 ½” below the center of the belt. I. Must hold the firearm positioned on the body so an object of ¾”width cannot pass between the shooter’s body and the inside of the firearm when the shooter is standing straight and upright.² J. Must be positioned on the belt in a location that will keep the center of the trigger pad behind the centerline 4 of the body. NOT Permitted: A. Cross Draw Holsters. B. Shoulder Holsters. C. Small of the Back Holsters. D. Holsters designed and/or marketed as “competition” models. E. Muzzle forward or adjustable cant holsters. F. Drop loop holsters.³ G. Positioning of the firearm where the breech face (autos) or the rear of the cylinder (revolvers) is below the center of the belt.³ H. Cutting of the front edge of the holster more that 1¾” below the breech face on pistols or 1” below the rear of the cylinder on revolvers. I. Offset back-pieces and/or belt slots.³ J. Gap in the following areas: 1. From the body to the inside of the belt. 2. From the outside of the belt to the inside of the backpiece and/or backside of the holster. 3. From the outside of the back-piece to the inside of the holster.³ K. Seeing daylight when looking through the belt slot area of the holster with it on the belt/body.³ L. Any type of filler to hide an offset. Exception – Police or military officers may use their duty rig, but ALL retention features of the holster MUST be used and all belt equipment (mace, handcuffs, etc.) must be present. ¹ NOTE: Holsters for females are exempt from F. criteria, but may not cant the handgun away from the body past 90 ° to the ground. ² NOTE: Female shooters are exempt from this test. ³ NOTE: Exceptions have been made for female shooters, specifically those with hourglass figures and high waistlines. 4 NOTE: The seam on the side of a shooter’s pants may or may not indicate where the centerline of a shooter’s body is located. For IDPA purposes, the centerline of the body originates in the center of the armpit and goes straight down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'm going to have to replace the Blade-Tech double mag carrier I use for everyday concealed carry, and IDPA matches, because it covers a minute fraction less that 50 percent of the mag body. Oh well, life goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revchuck Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I have to confine my Comp-Tac mag carriers to carry. I have a UM double mag pouch to use for matches for double stacks. I'm not counting the leather ones I have which make the 50%. My holsters are good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspian_45 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Pretty much all my IDPA equipment has a warrant out for it's arrest. The reason: failure to comply to said new rules. I am hoping that IDPA can address our concerns of the new rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenairguy Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I am going to have to get all new competition stuff and quit using my everyday carry stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I have female exceptions - I'm still good to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Seems like the general consensus so far is that everyone is going to have to quit using the gear they use for everyday carry, and buy all new competition gear to be legal. Does that sound anything like the principles IDPA was supposed to be founded on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGator Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The only thing I lost was my UM holster. I bought it as it was a cheap, fast and easily available holster. On me it didn't conceal very well at all so I can't personally complain about this. I was about to by a comp-tac holster and mag carriers for my new ESP gun, glad I waited on that. I can understand why many people are upset though. -LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonK Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 140 views but only 32 poll responses? WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwmiket Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Well, I think the poll needed one more option: I'm an IPDA member, but at this point I'm still clueless if my stuff will pass or not. I 'think' my mag pouches probably won't, not sure...... use Fobus, paddle (non adjustable) double mag pouch......... holster is BladeTech, but think it should be ok...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Perez Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 My BT gear is still legal as is the Threat Solutions IWB holster - I just need to lose an inch off the waistline so I can wear it with most of my pants ! Picked up a Glock magpouch from G'meister yesterday - it covers about 2/3 of the mag(G22) - but it is a TIGHT fit - only $10. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 My Comp-Tac mag carriers that I use every day for carry and can be tensioned so tight you can barely get the mag out are now illegal for my full size guns. Since the same carriers are also used for the compacts they are OK with the shorter mags. The exact same pouch is legal if you have a Glock 19 magazine in it, but illegal if you have a Glock 17 magazine in it! Same with Officer's vs. Govt 1911 mags. What does covering the mag tube 50% have to do with anything other than looks? I haven't tested any of my holsters but based on other posts I'm going to assume they are illegal too. It's funny that this is the gear that I carry with frequently but it is now too "high speed" for IDPA. What IDPA doesn't realize is that quite a few folks changed what they carried with after experimenting with gear in IDPA. They realized what worked and what didn't - what provided a better draw or a better reload - and then started using that equipment all the time. Now IDPA want's us to go back to what we've already figured out is inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Everything I use to hold my illegal revolvers is OK, I will load from my pocket as they hold the moon clips and speed loaders better anyway. Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 What IDPA doesn't realize is that quite a few folks changed what they carried with after experimenting with gear in IDPA. They realized what worked and what didn't - what provided a better draw or a better reload - and then started using that equipment all the time. Now IDPA want's us to go back to what we've already figured out is inferior. That has got to be the best observation I've read regarding the new rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I think a good way to do the mag carrier depth is this: Mag carrier must hold at least x" of magazine tube, measureable along the rear of the tube from the topmost part of the magazine. Either that or demonstrate that the mag carrier will indeed hold securely a full magazine. If it does it should be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRD Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 ...demonstrate that the mag carrier will indeed hold securely a full magazine. If it does it should be legal.Exactly. Why that is so hard I do not understand.I can only think that this is one of those things that was just not thought all the way through and ended up on the page at the end of the day. It boggles the mind. - Gabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonaise Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I mistakenly nulled my vote so add me to #2. Like I need an excuse to buy more gun stuff? I'm already over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Alas, I too fall into the "uses Blade-Tech mag carriers every day for concealed carry" but now they just won't make the grade. On the other hand, I do have an old Bianchi#30 "Clip Grip" that covers over 80% of the mag tube. You pretty much have to pinch the base pad with thumb and forefinger to get the mag out, then shift your grip to actually shove the mag into the gun. It's incredibly NOT practical or useful for daily carry, but IT COMPLIES WITH THE NEW RULES, which is what counts, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I have female exceptions - I'm still good to go Any match I work, I will be checking closely to be sure the exemption is warranted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dunn Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 My stuff is illegal. Don't care. Lot's of other fun stuff to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrogers Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 My Comp-Tac mag pouches are not legal any more. Used to be. That is what I carry with here in Texas. My SSP holster is banned only due to the ability to adjust the cant. Why that makes a difference, I don't know. I use it for carry without any issues. I am not happy that to play this game I need to make some purchases for new equipment when my old stuff was OK a week ago. $100-$200 is money that I would rather spend elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkelly Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 My CDP, ESP, SSP, and SSR holsters are now illegal as is (I think) the revolver I bought because my other revolver had a > 4" barrel. I haven't even started to use it in IDPA yet. Respectfully, jdkelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Dub Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Four holsters (Blade Tech), eight speedloader carriers (Blade Tech) and two mag carriers are no longer good. For the holsters and speedloader carriers, I can use them in IPSC. I have some IWBs I will use for IDPA for revolver (yes I carry my 625 in an IWB) and one pistol. My S&W 9mm pistols just won't be used in IDPA anymore since my Safariland 560s for them won't pass the test now. For the mag carriers, I'm gonna get some cardboard from a Wheaties box, or some stiff plastic and a roll of Duct Tape and make 'em real "Are you a Redneck" carriers and then they will be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryfox Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 What IDPA doesn't realize is that quite a few folks changed what they carried with after experimenting with gear in IDPA. They realized what worked and what didn't - what provided a better draw or a better reload - and then started using that equipment all the time. Now IDPA want's us to go back to what we've already figured out is inferior. This is an excelent statement. This is excatly what I did. I went threw about 5 holsters untill I found the desantis nightwatchman works for me for IDPA and for daily carry. I am still unsure if it is legal. I am going to put it on and have my wife read the rule and see what she thinks as I think I may be reading the rules a bit to synical... Edited to say I missed my vote because I don't know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 My stuff is illegal. Don't care. Lot's of other fun stuff to shoot. I am *this* close to giving up and seeing it/doing it your way, John... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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