EricW Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Have any USPSA clubs given any thought to giving a cupie doll out during matches in recognition for shooters running CCW gear? No, I'm definitely talking about creating a new division, just recognition like "High LE", "High Lady", etc. there are definitely a some folks at matches primarily because they are CCW holders. Good idea? Lousy? Other ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman33_99 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I like it...we have a couple of shooters at our matches that run with IWB holsters and concealment vests, but then again, one of them is routinely winning production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I like the idea, but I wouldn't limit it to Production. I've shot Limited and Limited10 from concealment and had a lot of fun before. Any carry-type gear that is actually concealed by the garment should be okay! I think it might be a good way to reach out to our IDPA brothers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 If you do that, you have to define concealment, with rules. Then you have to enforce the rules. I'm not in favor of that. The guys doing it now don't need rules, or trophys. Why spoil thier fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 my post got dropped so I'll try again. Just one guys opinion, but I think we already have way too many special catagories for trophy hunters. "How'd the match go hon?" "Well, I finished 23rd overall........but if you really look at the scores closely you'll see I was first Senior, Military, Lady, shooting a Minor Revolver, from Concealment, weak hand only......on stage 3." I know I'll branded a bastard for this, but I don't even like reading a blow by blow recap of the ladies race at a match. If we are not going to get coverage of the Senior, Junior, Military or Foriegn match, why highlight the ladies so much? They are all special catagories aren't they? That being said, I'd be happy to see the additional coverage included, instead of just dropping the ladies. honest, no offense meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Johnson Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Lousy idea if USPSA wants to be considered a shooting sport. Great idea if USPSA wants to be considered training. As long as I get recognition as high 15-20 pounds overweight category I'm all for adding CCW awards! Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Have any USPSA clubs given any thought to giving a cupie doll out during matches in recognition for shooters running CCW gear? i suppose next you'll be telling me i cant use an uncle mikes holster, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberkid Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Eric, I gotta vote with the naysayers. To recognize and encourage the new starters be it lady, LE, CCW holder, or whatever is a horrible idea. The encouragement that would be brought by recognition is wrong, and how could we possibly come up with enough rules to properly agitate these beginners. if that pisses people off, too bad, I'm not trying to make enemies, but what does it hurt on the local level to so something small and fun. I assume that by using the word "recognize" you mean a free Coke, $1.75 of your next match or something trivial like that. excellent idea and id prefer you come up with the most off the wall categories as possible. such as ..... High Scoring Mother of a Teenager, or 2nd place Pizza Delivery guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 8, 2005 Author Share Posted January 8, 2005 Guys, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about a new division, or even a plaque. I was just talking about checking a box on the scorecard that said "concealment", which would mean that the shooter was running concealment gear. Then the concealment guys could have their own little horserace inside the match. No new rules. Just an attaboy/attagirl at the end of the day and maybe a free AA battery for the one who did the best tactical threat scan during the walkthrough. This was obviously the WRONG time to broach the subject. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Eric, That really has to be one of the most refreshing ideas I've heard lately. My initial response was, "fan-bloody-tastic!!!" I think that would be a great way, on the local level, to get some cross-participation from the IDPA crowd. Who knows where it might lead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I'm gonna shoot from concealment the next time out! Well, maybe not on the classifier, but otherwise ... yeah! Well, maybe not a fixed time stage, but otherwise ... yeah! Well, maybe not a fast and furious short course, but otherwise ... yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 8, 2005 Author Share Posted January 8, 2005 Thanks Dave. You've got the vibe. It was meant as a "You're more than welcome to shoot with us and shoot it your way." No additional bureaucracy intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 A friend of mine always shoots his Glock 21 from concealment. When I can get him to a USPSA match he shoots Limited. When he shoots my steel match I put a 'Tactical' division in the posted scores which he always wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Dale ... a friend of mine shot a steel match with us last year from concealment using a Glock 23 in a Glock plastic holster. On that day, he was just "on" and was faster than most of the non-open shooters on the first piece of steel. It was cool to watch him do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Eric I know what a category is. see rule 6.3, and appendix A2 Perhaps you mean to have an unofficial category, with no rules or recognition? If so, what is the point of asking approval? Just do it at your club, then come back and tell us how you made it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Anybody remember the "Practical Carry" thing that was tried many years ago? It was vaguely similar to that from what I remember. A proto-Production division as it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtypool40 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 When we ran the FL Single Stack a few years back we wanted cross over, sort of an olive branch / introduction....but I digress. Anyway, we had "Tactical" division. They love that word, so I figured why not. The equipment requirements were the same, but you had two additions: 1.) Must begin stage drawing from concealment where a draw is called for. 2.) Can't leave loaded mags on the ground, reguardless of technique. That way we were objective and fun, and really required very little extra policing, but let them play their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision40 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I would think it would be easy to incorporate IDPA into USPSA. If we're going to make a "concealment" division, then why not incorporate a modified version of the IDPA rules into that division? ie...use of cover, concealment, mag retention etc? Let not just have a special category for people who wear jackets, make it a viable division where we might actually get IDPA folks to come over and use the same gear, techniques and "rules." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted January 18, 2005 Author Share Posted January 18, 2005 I'm thinking about shooting IDPA-style in a couple upcoming matches just for giggles. I can guarantee partially loaded mags will hit the ground, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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