Yardbird Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Unfortunately there are no pressures listed. 9x19/9x21... same case capacity, fairly rare but it's 9 major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 VV lists 3n38 at a short 1.142" with 147 grain bullet at 177 PF. Its the only powder that SV recommends for their 9 major pistols. Load it long with a 124 grain bullet and its probably one of the safest for major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 9x21 .... Not really what people think of when they think of 9 major Exactly the same load will produce the same results in 9x19 9x21 is just more brass, not more OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzim Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 More brass with the same oal mean the will "sit deeper" in the case, if I had to make a guess I would say the results will be different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardbird Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Nope. Same OAL so same capacity when the bullet is seated. Same results with equal loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I didn't mean to imply the brass was thicker, just 2mm longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillUF Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Update: Alrighty fellas, I loaded up some CFE pistol powder steadily by .1 grns from 6.5 grns to 7.5 grns (on a 124 MG JHP with a SMP) and ran them through my gun (which is a 5.4 inch barrel with 4 popple holes.) Needless to say there were no signs of overpressure up to 7.5 grns. I do not have a chrono but will run the same loads through a chrono once I can get my hands on one at my local club. From the data I found online, 7.5 grns should make major through my gun. One positive thing about the powder is that it meters extremely well. One negative aspect of it is that I definitely felt more recoil than one would normally get from HS6 or Autocomp loads and felt like the comp wasn't used as best as other powders are able to utilize it. The dot also has noticeably more movement. I shot my HS6 loads back to back with these and for me, personally, I prefer HS6. This appears to be a good powder for major due to the extreme shortage of powder but once powder comes back I won't run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Thanks Bill, that seems consistent with what I'm hearing. Edited June 20, 2014 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Might work better with more powder, I'd chrono before doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 BillUF, any word on a chrono and the CFE powder for your 9 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillUF Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 That's a negative Matt, I won't have my hands on one until the first weekend of the month most likely. And Steve, I worked a few more loads up to 7.7 grns yesterday. Perhaps very slight cratering but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoNsTeR Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Nope. Same OAL so same capacity when the bullet is seated. Same results with equal loads. Nope. More neck tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Does anyone know what Brandon's @SV recommends for his 9 Open guns? Powder, primer, oal the whole thing if someone will share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Does anyone know what Brandon's @SV recommends for his 9 Open guns? Powder, primer, oal the whole thing if someone will share. Unless something has changed in the last few years, SV only recommends 3n38 for 9 major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yardbird Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Nope. Same OAL so same capacity when the bullet is seated. Same results with equal loads.Nope. More neck tension. Lol. A bit... I've been loading both for over decade, same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter995 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Does anyone know what Brandon's @SV recommends for his 9 Open guns? Powder, primer, oal the whole thing if someone will share.Unless something has changed in the last few years, SV only recommends 3n38 for 9 major. That's only for 124/125's, can't use it for 115's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 That's only for 124/125's, can't use it for 115's Why's that? Too many holes? I use 9.3gr SP2 with 115s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) Edited June 26, 2014 by Brooke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter995 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) That's only for 124/125's, can't use it for 115's Why's that? Too many holes? I use 9.3gr SP2 with 115s. It could either be the amount of, or size of the holes. I have a Cheely 5" with 2 holes. My load is the same other then OAL from before I had holes added. HS6 MG115 JHP, this will change soon. I have a very good friend that got me a fair amount of CFE Pistol. So I will be switching shortly. I will post my results. Edited June 26, 2014 by shooter995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Finally got to the range to chrono some CFE Pistol 9mm Major rounds, thought I'd share this with you all.Gun is a 5", KKM Barrel (around 6k rounds), no popple holes. Ammo is recipe is : 124gr Montana Gold CMJ Various brass Winchester Small Rifle Primer 1.165 OAL. Top results are for my usual load, everything the same except that I'm using Hodgdon 8.1gr of HS-6. If you discount the last result, it's about what I usually get. The last result is using Rainier Ballistics Plated (the normal kind) which doesn't work accurately in my gun but just wanted to find out. It looks like I can back down the charge to around 6.8 to get ~170-171pf which is ideal for me. I loaded some 6.8gr loads for my next chrono session and will report back when I get the results. Edited August 22, 2014 by robot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivers_AR Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 That's a negative Matt, I won't have my hands on one until the first weekend of the month most likely. And Steve, I worked a few more loads up to 7.7 grns yesterday. Perhaps very slight cratering but that's it. 7.7g CFE, 124jhp MG, CCI 500 will make 180+PF in a 5" 4 hole STI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 That's a negative Matt, I won't have my hands on one until the first weekend of the month most likely. And Steve, I worked a few more loads up to 7.7 grns yesterday. Perhaps very slight cratering but that's it. 7.7g CFE, 124jhp MG, CCI 500 will make 180+PF in a 5" 4 hole STI. 7.7 is wayyyyy too much but good to know that pressures are still ok at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 With regards to my previous chrono session (9mm major Chrono results with Hodgdon CFE Pistol). Here's an update. I went to chrono the rounds I made using CFE Pistol at 6.8gr of powder using a different type of Chronograph. The first session was using a Chrony but this session I was using a Competition Electronics chrono so the results are a little unexpected. I know, I should really stick to just using one Chrono. As you can see i'm using my typical 8.1gr HS-6 as a calibration round. this time the results were really low at average 1323fps, that puts me at 164pf which is under the power factor floor. The deviation is huge too which could mean that the rounds were loaded inconsistently. CFE pistol on the other hand, metered VERY well. the SD is only 6 and the 3 averages of 5 rounds is 1363, 1357 and 1351. Super consistent. I'm liking this powder already. The average is 1357fps and with a 124gr projectile, that puts me at 168pf. I trust the Competition Electronics chrono more than the Chrony so I'll bump it up to 7grs of CFE Pistol hoping to get around 170-171pf. The old result using the Chrony at 7grs gets me to 172.5. The Chrony is a little "exaggerated" in terms of fps so 7.0gr should put be at 170pf with the Competition Electronics chrono. 7.0 it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) and the final report, using a Competition Electronics Chrono. 8.1gr HS-6 124gr MG CMJ, WSRP, 1.165 OAL 1345 1363 1380 1372 1352 Avg 1362.4 PF 169 6.8gr CFE Pistol 124gr MG CMJ, WSRP, 1.165 OAL 1356 1394 1355 1361 1350 Avg 1363.2 PF 169 7.0gr CFE Pistol 124gr MG CMJ, WSRP, 1.165 OAL 1381 1393 1402 1390 1384 Avg 1390 PF 172 Edited September 2, 2014 by robot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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