ron169 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I called our Federal ammunition distributor for my department a few weeks ago. They said 6-10 month wait for American eagle training ammunition. If I had to guess, the only thing allowing them down from catching up on law enforcement sales is powder, which makes me think that is where the powder is going. Also, I was in crawfordville Florida the weekend of the 4th, they had a sign advertising positions available at St. MARK'S powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdawgs56 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Recently got 5 pounds of 7625, and 18 pounds of TiteGroup (some for a friend) on vacation in Rock Springs Wyoming. Averaged at $25/lb. Primers still available constantly here in Mesa AZ. But yet to even see pistol powder on the shelves in months. -Jason Edited July 11, 2014 by gdawgs56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Sitting here at a gun show Birmingham. The only pistol powder around is auto comp, aa9, and 296 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Starting to show up at my dealers mid week. Even had Varget and 22 long rifle. Things seem to be heading in the right direction I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I heard there is some new "restriction" that a cargo ship may only have one konex box of powder on it now. To where before it was multiple. As far as I know this is just a rumor. 49 CFR 173 applies to domestic shipments and has not changed recently. Don't see anything out there about imports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingdog Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I heard there is some new "restriction" that a cargo ship may only have one konex box of powder on it now. To where before it was multiple. It's a "conex" box (short for Container Express http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container), and as I understand it, it's not rumor at all. It's an Australian restriction on outbound shipments. So US Federal Regulations (49 CFR) aren't applicable in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I heard there is some new "restriction" that a cargo ship may only have one konex box of powder on it now. To where before it was multiple. It's a "conex" box (short for Container Express http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container), and as I understand it, it's not rumor at all. It's an Australian restriction on outbound shipments. So US Federal Regulations (49 CFR) aren't applicable in that case. Ah. Thought it was an import not export issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Time to maybe have some powder manufacture capacity back in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrohuck Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Bought 3lbs of Winchester WST about a month ago... no other pistol powders were on the shelves and it was the only thing that would work for .40cal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Time to maybe have some powder manufacture capacity back in the US? St. Marks in Florida produces Winchester 231 (Hodgon HP-38), how much of that have you seen on the shelves recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrohuck Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Time to maybe have some powder manufacture capacity back in the US? St. Marks in Florida produces Winchester 231 (Hodgon HP-38), how much of that have you seen on the shelves recently? Has production actually been hindered for some reason or is this just the same as the .22LR epidemic where they were producing the same amount as before but all of us were hoarding like crazy and shooting ourselves in our own proverbial foot? We can be our own worst enemies at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenr Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Here is the reload section at the local range/gun store in Macomb county Mich, Brown Bear. The primers are in a case opposite and they have a good number of each and assorted sizes and brands. This was taken on Wednesday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Time to maybe have some powder manufacture capacity back in the US? St. Marks in Florida produces Winchester 231 (Hodgon HP-38), how much of that have you seen on the shelves recently? Has production actually been hindered for some reason or is this just the same as the .22LR epidemic where they were producing the same amount as before but all of us were hoarding like crazy and shooting ourselves in our own proverbial foot? We can be our own worst enemies at times Production has increased and shooters are NOT the issue. Two things. OCD hoarding and POS opportunists. The former actually is a preamble of dementia. The later is just a POS clearing shelves one way or another, doubling the retail price at flea markets and selling it back to...you guessed it, the hoarder. And they will pay regardless, hoping to satisfy their compulsion. It does not and the cycle repeats. Personally I wish both parties would develope seeping boils in a bad place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Well it is my understanding that we have been getting a lot of our powder from Australia now. If Australia has imposed a limit on shipping that powders that creates a bottle neck for us. Simple solution would be to manufacture more here, but I do know that there are constrains on that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajadudes Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) I want to point out that as a capitalist I don't only seek to make money based on supply and demand. I/we also have a moral obligation to do what I/we can for the shooting community during shortages. Right now, I have a 70 pound keg of Winchester 231 up for sale on GB at the insane price of about $50 a pound. Split up into 4 lb jugs. I decided to part with 1 keg out of the original 19 kegs I bought a few months before the last Presidential election. I have been watching the market in powders with great interest since then and this looked like a good time to do it. Before this, over the last year I have sold almost 1000 lbs of hard to find powders out of our operating stash at or below PV prices to fellow shooters on various gun forums who were having a hard time. 3 of those 19 drums went towards that. Our ammunition products are quality products offered at just about Walmart prices. Affordable and accurate. I want to keep them affordable and to do that we desperately need to upgrade equipment and processes. Selling this one keg to the people that are willing to pay top dollar will help us do this. Its a gamble. Because even as a small manufacturer I have never see or been able to buy another one again. I am down to my last 9 after this one sells. I come to you for absolution from this sin. Edited July 18, 2014 by bajadudes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Scarce goods must be rationed. Either by price (ie those who can afford high prices win) or time value (ie those who have the free time to click refresh on Gunbot all day win). Neither is intrinsically more fair than the other. Both have their merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Send me the w231 and I'll forgive you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISIG Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 N320 IN STOCK BULLETS.COM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Scarce goods must be rationed. Good grief... Let's bring the word "ration" into the discussion Rationing sounds like the government would be involved. If the government were involved I would need a background check and pledge that I was mentally sound before buying a pound of powder. Of course if I wanted two pounds within 7 days of each other it require and form and another fee. If my powder was too fast or too slow it would require a $200 tax stamp and 6-12 month wait. Let's just call it the law of supply and demand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Scarce goods must be rationed. Good grief... Let's bring the word "ration" into the discussion Rationing sounds like the government would be involved. If the government were involved I would need a background check and pledge that I was mentally sound before buying a pound of powder. Of course if I wanted two pounds within 7 days of each other it require and form and another fee. If my powder was too fast or too slow it would require a $200 tax stamp and 6-12 month wait. Let's just call it the law of supply and demand It's an economic term used to describe methods for allocating scarce goods. Read into it what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajadudes Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Send me the w231 and I'll forgive you. Touche.... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdinga Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 N320 is gone. Congratulations to the winners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 It's an economic term used to describe methods for allocating scarce goods. Read into it what you will. No offense intended. I somewhat agree with your observations but was just having a little fun with initial statement. After reading "Scarce goods must be rationed" I felt as though a statement saying "I'm from the government. I'm here to help." would surely follow. I think you have a winner with "allocating scarce goods". I've heard a similar story from the guys that stood outside of our local Academy Sporting goods stores. They would get there at 3am, wait for the store to open and buy all the .22 LR ammo. As they stood on the other side of table behind their .22 ammo stash at the local gun shows, they explained to me that I was paying them to stand in line for me. I can't say they were wrong, but I personally chose to go without .22 ammo. Eventually the sporting goods stores started allocating the ammo, but it did little to avert the gun show guys who worked in packs and used advance surveillance technologies Meanwhile a generation of young shooters are missing out on what many of us took for granted. Luckily I've seen these shortages before and knew to be prepared (except in the case of .22LR... who would have ever guessed). Allocation certainly helps, but it won't completely cure the issue. I'm okay with somebody monitoring Gunbot and buying for themselves and friends. The part I hate is when they hike up the price and sell their wares on Gunbroker or local gun shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) As they stood on the other side of table behind their .22 ammo stash at the local gun shows, they explained to me that I was paying them to stand in line for me. I can't say they were wrong, but I personally chose to go without .22 ammo. Actually they are more like those guys who "wash" your windshield at intersections by first putting lots of dirty water on them and then asking to be payed to clean it. I wouldn't pay them to stand in line (or clean my windshield) but they create the situation and force into it. When I come to power it will be ok to run them over PS: Steve from NSA, when you are reading this, I was kidding, I'm not endorsing vehicular homicide. Unless its powder scalpers, screw those guys. I kid, I kid. No, not really. Edited July 18, 2014 by Vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BLDR Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 N320 IN STOCK BULLETS.COM Thanks, sight was not on my radar, I don't use N320 but they had N340 in 4LB jugs. Out. 2011BLDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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