Ron Ankeny Posted May 31, 2001 Share Posted May 31, 2001 I really like it when I reach a goal. I set a goal about six months ago of consistently shooting the El Pres. on full size IPSC steel in under 6 seconds. Today, I shot three runs back to back between 5.8 and 6.02. My next goal is to do it on paper with 75% A hits and no D's in under 6.5 seconds. I am pumped... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted May 31, 2001 Share Posted May 31, 2001 Remember the El Prez challenge GunGames sposered in '96, I think I'm the only person to ever win anything off of that. When they had it at the Canadian Nationals here in Ontario, It became obvious no one was going to make it so Jack Payne of R U Ready (they make the little yellow timers) decided to put up a timer to whoever shot the fastest run, all A's. I shot just under 6 seconds, all A's, not lightning fast but enough to do the job. As far as I know its the only prize that was given out on that challenge. And I had a shiny new timer...lol Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fletcher Posted May 31, 2001 Share Posted May 31, 2001 I'll give you a shinny new penny if you can do it under 4sec all A's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 31, 2001 Share Posted May 31, 2001 What is a good first shot time on El Prez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Poiret Posted May 31, 2001 Share Posted May 31, 2001 Hello, I'd like to give a try to the El P., but don't know the distance for the 3 targets. Can someone help ? If you want to cry for a while, just check Eric Grauffel's video of this drill. If I remember, the time is around 3.8 - 3.9 sec, all As !! I think you can download it from ipsc.org, or I can email it. Jerome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 31, 2001 Share Posted May 31, 2001 This should be the link to the El Prez. page on the USPSA website. http://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/cm99-11.gif Looks like 30 ft. to the targets, 3 ft. between the targets (three targets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted May 31, 2001 Share Posted May 31, 2001 Thats it we use it as a training drill on our IPSC qual. course for new shooters. 1.0 secs is a good draw time. My best ever El Prez (all hits but not all A's) was 3.99 with a .99 draw and a 1.0 reload. Course that was after several runs and was the one that clicked I can do it around 4.5 on demand. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird Posted June 1, 2001 Share Posted June 1, 2001 I have a goal of shooting as good "cold" as I do once I really warm up. This sounds like a silly goal to most people but after I get warmed up I can really shoot great sometimes. It is just stepping up to the line cold and doing great that is hard for me. My other goal is to be the "All Being of Space and Time." but that may take awhile!!!LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted June 1, 2001 Author Share Posted June 1, 2001 Pat: I think the El Pres really shows how important it is to learn to do a reload. My splits are .17 and target to target times are .22. I think that's pretty good, but my first shot is around 1.5 and the reload sucks. Then again, I have only been at it a year and I feel really good about going from 10 to 6 seconds in 12 months. As Rob Leatham said in Dillon's tape, "....12 shots, with a reload, in under 5 seconds...seems damn near impossible. But it's not..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 1, 2001 Share Posted June 1, 2001 Yeah .17 and .22 are good for this drill. On the draw Snap your head around and find the target. I find the more agressive Iam doing this the faster my turn and draw are. Reloads are reloads just dry fire the hell out of them and get the mechanics down. Look the mag in. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fletcher Posted June 2, 2001 Share Posted June 2, 2001 I'm going to see if I can steer this back to the original topic. Mainly for selfish reasons. I hit a goal on Wednesday night at are local match. Pat set up a cool course of fire. Three stages, two of them being speed shots (or for you people up on the 14th addition rule, two short course) One was a bill drill and the other was one shot at a popper at 15 yards. Pat shot first I was third. His 1.00sec to my 1.37sec. Not world records or any thing but when I got the score the next day I had beaten on of a masters by 3.55%. Again no world records set but it help to bust the ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Pat, You just said something that interests me greatly - "look the mag in." Something I'm experimenting with during a reload is keeping the gun at eye level, maybe even slightly above, and twisting my wrist so that I can actually look up the mag well and SEE where I want the magazine to go. Is that what you mean? Does this seem like a good idea to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Duane, Check out Matt's book he has a great section on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Duane, Your "good idea" is right on the money! be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Duane: yes thats exactly what I mean. When I first started the 'trick' for reloads was to be able to do them with your eyes closed, so I practiced this for awhile. Then after reading Brian's book and talking to some of the top shooters, I learned that its much more consistant to 'look it in'. You'll notice that its easy to touch or point to something if you're looking at it. But if your attention is elsewhere its rather difficult. And bacically you want to point the mag (with your index finger along the front of the mag) into the magwell. In practice I've found anytime I miss a reload it was 'cuz I was looking somewhere else, but if I look at the hole, it always goes in. If you look at the photo section of Brian's site, look at where he's looking during reload. His attention is on the inside of the magwell. And for the "tactically" minded (sorry Deaf I had to say it) The head instructors for our Provincial Police force are now teaching the method too. It stands to reason that if your head is up away for the gun looking for threats during a reload, it won't matter if you see them if you can't get the mag in, to me a 'tactical reload' is the one where the gun is up and ready to run as soon as possible. You can point the mag in while being peripherally aware of whats going on if the gun is held up at eye level. Watch Todd and Jerry shoot, the gun never goes below chin level. Its always up where it can be brought to target with the minimal amount of effort. Just guide it back out along your line of sight. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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