SinistralRifleman Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Has anyone tried one of these: http://www.seeallopensight.com/shotgun/ Would this be considered an optical sight for match purposes? It does not seem to be a traditional optic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Looks like either a tape dispenser or a 1x optic to me... jj Edited March 24, 2014 by RiggerJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug H. Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) I'd vote for tape dispenser but it's an unpowered 1x optic, welcome to Open! Doug Edited March 24, 2014 by Doug H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 They're sending me one to check out. I'm really curious if/how this thing works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 JJ, I think the lens actually magnifies??? so its not a 1x optic Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 My view: If you see the target through any kind of lens, magnified or not, then it is an optical sight. On a shotgun or pistol it would bump you to Open. On a rifle it would bump you to Tac Limited or Tac Scope depending on whether there is magnification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) Since its basically just a rear notch with a plastic filler and a big fiber front, not sure how you would define the sight. I think arguments either way would have some validity. Would really need someone to get their hands on one and give a much more detailed review to make that call. Edited April 4, 2014 by JFlowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) I agree with Stealthy, if it uses a lens then its an optic, of some sort??? but whether it would be legal in 1x or not is the question. As far as usefulness it looks like it has merit. Much like the B Jones sight for m1a's and such, if it uses a lens it should be classed as an optic, for our sport. IMHO trapr Edited April 4, 2014 by bigbrowndog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 NOPE, NOPE, NOPE......gotta call it an open sight where the "lens" merely defines the "crosshair reticule" (looks like a triangle to me) and you sight OVER the "lens" i.e the top edge of the "lens" is where the tip of the diamond appears. Look at the instructions page of the link, especially the sight picture drawing. You are not looking through an optical lenses or a refracting window like a scope or a reflex sight. You are looking over an enhanced view of a fiber optic element. ericm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganbillJ Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 We have one coming to check out as well. I agree that arguments could be made for both sides. I will report back, with pictures, when I receive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Here's a question was the Armson OEG considered an optic for the purposes of the sport? You didn't look through it, with both eyes open the fiber optic was super imposed in your vision. This appears to work similar to an OEG but cut in half so you can look over the top of it. Functionally is it different than bolting fiber optic rifle sights to your barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Here's a question was the Armson OEG considered an optic for the purposes of the sport? You didn't look through it, with both eyes open the fiber optic was super imposed in your vision. This appears to work similar to an OEG but cut in half so you can look over the top of it. Functionally is it different than bolting fiber optic rifle sights to your barrel? We're talkin' OLD, baby!!!!! MAYBE the OEG was included on the SOF approved optics list....can't remember for sure. BUT.... the OEG has a lens, round, occular that you looked into and kind of an opaque lens on the front....I would say it is an optical sight. This new gizzie, however, is more along the lines of the old Guttersnipe handgun sight made by Devel, only with fiber optic....not an optical sight.....OPEN IRON SIGHT (and how's that for age, Baby!!!!) ericm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 GAAAAAK..... it was the Seventrees ASP pistol that had the Guttersnipe....Devel came after (but maybe a few had Guttersnipes) ericm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling White Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 So what's the call? Open or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 to me its not a question of open or not its a question of 1x or TO, and since the lens seems to magnify the FO/reticle to me its a magnifying optic, whether you're magnifying the target or not is irrelevant by my peewee brain. BTW, ericm how many guttersnipe hunts were you taken on as a young new mexican??? oh and we're going pdog hunting in SoDak, so call me!!! Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I was going to use the OEG as an example too! Only with the thinking that, if you cannot see through and to the target, it cannot offer magnification to the target. That makes it OK for Limited and 1x at best. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 GAAAAAK..... it was the Seventrees ASP pistol that had the Guttersnipe....Devel came after (but maybe a few had Guttersnipes) ericm I don't recall Devel having the Guttersnipe, just the ASP. Charlie Kelsey used regular iron sights on his guns. The Gammon had Millet sights without the normal base. Oooops, sorry for the thread drift. It's not often to find people that remember the old stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothandnail Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Hope to have one by mid week, we are going to review it to see how well it works. If it's acceptable we will have them available for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchUSMC Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 From the instructions on the page "The crosshair reticle( will be magnified by optical element (A) and appear perfectly in-focus, along with the target. " Seems pretty cut and dry there. The reticle is magnified by an optical element. Its a magnified optic, albeit a pretty sad one compared to say a 1-6x scope, and should be treated as such for the purposes of determining division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) ...cut and DRIED.... Magnified? I don't think so.....gimmicky iron sight, but iron sight. Should be legal for shotguns and pistols in limited. ericm Edited April 5, 2014 by ericm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 ...and since this is a tech forum.... ret·i·cule ˈretiˌkyo͞ol/ noun 1. historical a woman's small handbag, originally netted and typically having a drawstring and decorated with embroidery or beading. 2. variant spelling of reticle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 While we're at it, what about this pistol sight thing http://www.tas-sights.com/web/8888/nsf/sbs.py?&_ID=6546&did=2087&G=6546&PF=20〈=EN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 While we're at it, what about this pistol sight thing http://www.tas-sights.com/web/8888/nsf/sbs.py?&_ID=6546&did=2087&G=6546&PF=20〈=EN I have one floating around here somewhere...could never get it to work nearly as well as conventional notch and post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchUSMC Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 ...cut and DRIED.... Magnified? I don't think so.....gimmicky iron sight, but iron sight. Should be legal for shotguns and pistols in limited. ericm Thanks for the correction... I didn't call it magnified the manufacturer did? If thats even the intent then using it in a division restricted to 1x optics is cheating in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericm Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 While we're at it, what about this pistol sight thing http://www.tas-sights.com/web/8888/nsf/sbs.py?&_ID=6546&did=2087&G=6546&PF=20〈=EN OBVIOUSLY, that sight would put you in open class....... because.......you know............it's new....... .......just like the one we're talking about........kinda..... .......sorta FEAR THE CHANGE!!!! ericm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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