mcoliver Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 You just finished the COF and has been issued the unload and show clear command. However, your ammo is stuck and cannot be extracted. The only option is to fire it. Is this considered your last shot and needs to be recorded as well? Appreciate any rule clarifications. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Yes, the time counts. Fix your ammo next time Not a DQ. DQ only if a shot is fired after the RO has pronounced; If Clear, Yada, Yada You could ask for help, then your stage would be over. If the RO had to fire the round it would not count against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 If you do it in response to a directive from the RO your additional time will not count. Just be sure that the RO has recorded the correct time before you fire that last shot. I have, while running shooters, on several occasions had to resort to this procedure to get the gun clear. No big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 This is not an uncommon problem with .22s in steel matches at our club. I've had it happen to me once in a USPSA match. We just used common sense, which coincided with what Gary mentioned. I'm glad to know that's the correct way to proceed in USPSA/IPSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Gary Stevens' reply is right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 You mean to get the RO's approval before firing the shot? What if the RO says not to fire it, that he will help clear it by other means? I would think that you must follow the RO's direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted December 20, 2004 Author Share Posted December 20, 2004 Appreciate the clarifications guys. Thanks. What if the RO says not to fire it, that he will help clear it by other means? Yep, I asked the RO what I should do. When I offered the gun for him to clear it he responded with a big "NO!" Maybe he didn't have his wood dowel at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 If I don't know why it is stuck, I'm not going to be happy with shooting it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 If a loaded round is stuck in the chamber, but cannot be extracted, the best way to get it out is to shoot it out into the backstop, if the gun can be fired. Clearing a loaded round with a squib rod is probably not wise. If the gun can't be fired, and I was RO, I'd try to get the barrel out of the gun right there, and then the problem can be fixed in the safety area or by the match gunsmith. In no case should the RO allow the competitor to walk away with what is by definition a loaded gun. If the case is still stuck after the round is fired, then it can be removed with a rod or other tool. Firing a stuck round, with the RO's permission, is fine. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Troy, I had one experience when the competitor could remove his mag, but the slide was totally jammed up, so we couldn't even remove the damn barrel, despite a bunch of people (under my authority), taking turns at safely trying to open it on the stage. After using a mirror and flashlight to check that the chamber was empty, I allowed the gun to be removed from the bay by another RO. Ultimately, they had to lock the gun in a vice and beat the living doo-doo out of the muzzle end of the slide with a rubber hammer to get it open. I don't know zip about 1911 genre guns, but I was told that part of the slide lock (??) somehow sheared off and jammed the slide closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Buff Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 I don't know zip about 1911 genre guns, but I was told that part of the slide lock (??) somehow sheared off and jammed the slide closed. Was prob the barrel link.... Been there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Yeah, what DB said. Of course, if there isn't a round in the chamber, and you checked that (mirror and flashlight? Madre Dios! I wish I could have seen that show) then they could take it out and beat it up all they wanted, I suppose. As much as I like guns, sometimes you just gotta hate 'em. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted December 21, 2004 Author Share Posted December 21, 2004 I'm kinda imagining Vince pulling out a dental mirror and a surefire from his pockets. Which leads me to wonder what else one can find in his pockets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Madre Dios! I wish I could have seen that show The guys were OK when I pulled out my little make-up mirror, but I could definitely sense some confusion when my lipstick, eye liner and nail polish fell on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Buff Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 We should get the Farside cartoonist, whats his name...Larry....whatever, to draw this...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 (edited) Queer Eye for the Darth Guy? So lemme guess.... The lipstick is really for marking targets for later review and the eye liner is used not unlike what American Football players do to cut down on the sung glare...right? We had a Glock get locked up tight at a match last year. Reloaded ammo that was wayyyyyy out of spec. The shooter was fighting the ammo all day. Finally had one that didn't want to chamber so he forced it home but couldn't get it far enough in to fire it and couldn't get the action back open. If I recall correctly they finally got it disassembled but replacement parts were necessary for the gun by the time it was over. Not so funny part is this guy fancied himself a commercial reloader and was trying to get orders from everyone at the match. Needless to say, he didn't get much business after that. I understand that he gets a ton of biz from the local tactibilly crowd though. I just hope they chamber check. Edited December 21, 2004 by kimel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 That would be Gary Larson. He retired a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Buff Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 That would be Gary Larson. He retired a few years ago. That is sad - what a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted December 21, 2004 Author Share Posted December 21, 2004 Dang Vince! And to think I was being on the safe side with the dental mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 This happened to me about 5 years ago, the link pin attachment to the barrel peeled back and locked my open gun up solid. It was halfway into battery. Zeroed the stage, cost about $500.00 to get new barrel fitted and other work that was required. Most of the additional work was involved in corrective work that was needed due to original poor workmanship. Had the original work been done better, the problem may never have occured. Point is, I was at the side berm, with the match Gunsmith for about 30 minutes if I remember correctly, while he worked to get the darned thing opened up. What we did was after the incident, the RO acertained that we were not about to open the gun on the line. Time was fleeting, we called the Gunsmith over and keeping a safe direction went to the side of the pit and solved the problem. At no time was anyone ever downrange or rather in front of the muzzle. All work was done at the side of the stage while tha match continued. Jim Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I've had to do this once. I borrowed a gun to finish the match when mine started misbehaving. We compared loads and things seemed to be OK. A test run and everything was working, so I ran the two remaining stages. Everything was OK until "IFUSC". My slightly longer ammo and his super long ejector meant there was no way a loaded round was coming out of the chamber in a safe and servicable manner. Since there was clearly nothing unsafe about firing it, after fiddling for a while the RO allowed me to shoot it into the backstop ... and then mulled about whether the right time to record for the stage was 24 seconds or 3 minutes After making me sweat for a bit, he decided I'd suffered enough for one day All seemed perefectly reasonable to me ... Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Pure common sense and sportsmanship all at the same time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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