rhgunguy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I've been working a lot and can afford some retail therapy. I think I want a 9mm 1911, but I've never shot one. I have a shadow custom, how would they compare? I'd use it for ESP or occasional single stack duty. My budget is Spartan up to DW Pointman 9, the only variable is how many guns I don't use that I'd have to sell. I would stretch it for a Baer if he still did 9s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dapribek Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Buddy has 9mm Springfield Loaded 1911, runs all day long & fun to shoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericjhuber Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Julie Golob rocks a 9mm Smith and Wesson that she had Pete Single work his magic on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnyglock Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I would go with the STI Trojan or the Dan Wesson PM9. Springers are ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericjhuber Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Hard to go wrong with an STI Trojan. The price is very reasonable and you can get them loaded with goodies from Dawson Precision through the CRP editions and the price is still very reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhgunguy Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Trojan is definitely on the list. The only reason that the Spartan is on the list is that I won't feel bad having it carved up with a tri top job and front strap checkering. If I get one, the choice is going to be which one I can get my hands on first. I really just want to know how they shoot compared to my cz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegunnerd Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Trojan trumps them all by far . Just get reliable mags like Tripp or Wilson Elite , that is going to make or break a 9mm 1911 . Also the 9 round metal form seem to be pretty reliable too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 +1 for the Tripp mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike21STI Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 My STI sentry has been flawless for 7-8000 rounds. It may be up for sale soon since I got a nice limited gun that can do double duty in idpa and uspsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3324temp Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Another vote for the STI Trojan with the Dawson CRP package and VZ Grips. I am using a Dawson magwell and Dawson mags. It runs perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Love my PM-9's. Runs great with Tripps or Metalform Elite mags. The lack of checkering kills the Trojan for me. I might consider a STI Sentry for the checkering, but I'm not sure the value is there compared to the Dan Wesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smith52 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I am running a 9mm STI Trojan. Added an extended Wilson mag catch, Dawson ICE magwell (Aluminum Mainspring Housing), and Metalform magazines. I am very happy with the setup, has been very reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbinster Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Another vote for the STI Trojan with the Dawson CRP package and VZ Grips. I am using a Dawson magwell and Dawson mags. It runs perfect. Sounds like my gun, its a real tack driver. Only problem I have had is with my Wilson Combat mags with the ETM base - not sure if the mag or just stupid me but in every stage of a USPSA match this weekend on reload I went bang then click as the mag popped down - sucked big time. Just ordered some extended base pads for them this morning. Live and learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Have both a Trojan and the Spartan 5. While I am pleased with the Spartan and it's a lot for the price I would suggest the STI Trojan. I run Wilson magazines with two coils removed from the magazine springs. To much tension slowed the slide. But as long as you pick quality magazines should be fine. Metal form and Dawson seem to be the same except for the base pads. Just like the feel of Wilson magazines. Any magazine, remove the slide and push the base of an inserted magazine up, check to see if it's hitting the ejector. If it is you'll end up breaking the ejector. Any pistol you pick will need a little tuning to get it to the speck's you want. I like an Ed Brown extended magazine release and mag well, I like that it's open in the front so I can easily check that the magazine is seated on the Load and Makeready command by pulling down on the front of the magazine with my weak side finger. Yep it's old school but so am I. Dawson front sight clear and easy to pick up. By a set of springs, a lot of tuning can be done with springs. Trigger job with a 15 or 17 pound main spring, mine has a 15 with the stock hammer, the hammer is a little heavy so this has worked out fine in my pistol which has a little over 30,000 rounds through it, most with the same recoil spring. No problems using Winchester primers. Buy recoil springs in 9,10,and 12 pound weight's. The 1911 store gives you a little break if you buy three. Springs may change with the load you have worked up. Heavier bullets at the same power factor lighter recoil as of late I've gone back to 115's using VV powder. I like the grip on STI's single stack pistols it's under cut where the trigger guard meets the frame allowing for a higher grip. The front back strap has chain link and it's easy on the hands and provides a good grip. Trigger job, Trojan comes with good fire control parts and I used all of them only doing a slight stoning on the sear. Some other brands the fire control parts get chunked. Sorry I got a little long winded. Edited February 3, 2014 by Bob DuBois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I'm pretty sure Springfield is offering the Range Officer in 9mm now, that would be a good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 You are correct Ross, Springfield has brought out the RM in 9mm. Rock Islands are tough to beat for the money, since some of the top name companies parts are made in the Phillipines (frames and slides) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegunnerd Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Don't go Rock Island for 9mm . I did that and regretted it . Also don't go Rock island if you ever plan on upgrading the parts. The frames are not made to mil spec and i had a smith do a whole bunch of measurements for me when i wanted him to work on it. Every single part has to be hand fit , no drop in anything because of the variances in their tolerances . They're fun for a little beater 45 but i wouldn't trust them further then that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Guess who make STI Spartan frames and slides ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glocktogo Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Another vote for the STI Trojan with the Dawson CRP package and VZ Grips. I am using a Dawson magwell and Dawson mags. It runs perfect. Sounds like my gun, its a real tack driver. Only problem I have had is with my Wilson Combat mags with the ETM base - not sure if the mag or just stupid me but in every stage of a USPSA match this weekend on reload I went bang then click as the mag popped down - sucked big time. Just ordered some extended base pads for them this morning. Live and learn In 9mm mags, it was recommended to me to run the Dawson mags because they seat easier with 10 rounds with the slide closed. I haven't tried the ETM's, but the Dawsons do seat well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domyalex Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Guess who make STI Spartan frames and slides ! Don't go Rock Island for 9mm . I did that and regretted it . Also don't go Rock island if you ever plan on upgrading the parts. The frames are not made to mil spec and i had a smith do a whole bunch of measurements for me when i wanted him to work on it. Every single part has to be hand fit , no drop in anything because of the variances in their tolerances . They're fun for a little beater 45 but i wouldn't trust them further then that Same experience for me with the Spartan: extended mag release, STI msh and Aftec extractor: none dropped right in. Since I don't know how to fit, this means a trip to the gunsmith everytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 If you don't do your own work in fitting then I agree you will have to go to a smith. Spend the money and buy a top notch pistol, shoot and then shoot some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred5876r Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I have a Spartan 9mm and it has been a great gun. Runs slicker than snot with a 9 lb. recoil spring and 17 lb. mainspring. I bought it from Dawson and had them add their FO front sight before shipping. Add a magwell (I like S&A) and some VZ grips and you are good to go. I have used Wilson ETM and Tripp Cobra mags, but recently I switched to Metalform Elite 10 rounders, as they have a longer body - easier to seat 10 rounds in the mag and easier to seat a loaded mag in the gun with the slide closed. They work 100% in the Spartan and a Rock Island Tactical 9mm which I recently picked up (couldn't resist a bargain, $375 brand new). Some (but not all) of my ETM mags yielded nose-dives in the RIA unless one or two rounds were off-loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsa Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 9mm 1911 is a fun soft shooting gun, get one. if you have a good local gunsmith ask his advice and follow it. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the above choices. Personally I like the Trojan and that is what I have; I dropped it off at the local 'smith for a trigger job and I am very happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I owned a Springfield 9mm Target loaded and was very disappointed with it's accuracy. After two trips to the factory it would not do any better than 4 to 6 inch "shotgun patterns" at50 ft. I sold it and purchased a Dan Wesson PM-9 which provided nice tight ca. 1 inch ten shot groups at that same distance. Spare yourself the grief and get the Dan Wesson PM-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 What type of ammo was run in the Springfield , and if it was reloads , what type of bullets ? The factory Sprigers usually shoot pretty well with good ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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