ZackJones Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I may have inhaled too much case lube this afternoon but while running 500 pieces of brass through the resizing die and then Lee bulge buster kit but I started thinking about a new USPSA division so here's the idea. Take our current Production division and rename it to Production 10. It remains exactly as it is today. The only thing that changes is the name. Create a new Production division that has the same rules as production have today but with the following modifications: 1 - High capacity magazines can be filled to full capacity. 2 - Major power factor permitted with 165 floor like other divisions. 3 - .40 S&W caliber or greater required for Major power factor. I know a lot of shooters will make the jump from production to limited (that's what I did back in the day). I'm sure there's lots of things I haven't thought through yet but I wanted to toss the idea out there and see what others thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarpenter82 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 So its limited division with the mag pouches and holster in the same place as production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I agree. Too much case lube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterpuc Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 You might have a lot of IDPA shooters switch over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbermurph Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) yeah, that's too close to Limited. I think a better idea would be Production like IPSC, where you have 15 rounds and raceholsters. All minor scoring Edited February 1, 2014 by jabbermurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfaxis Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Based on the spirit of 3.3.1, there will need to be a revised 3.3.1, which states that ALL divisions must now be limited to the lowest round count governed by any paid USPSA member's legal jurisdiction. Since we now have the NY 7 rd limit, all divisions will be amended to Open 7, Lim 7, Lim 10-7, Production 7, SS 7. Revolver's are exempt. FYI: 2 Martinis on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Based on the spirit of 3.3.1, there will need to be a revised 3.3.1, which states that ALL divisions must now be limited to the lowest round count governed by any paid USPSA member's legal jurisdiction. Since we now have the NY 7 rd limit, all divisions will be amended to Open 7, Lim 7, Lim 10-7, Production 7, SS 7. Revolver's are exempt. FYI: 2 Martinis on board. FInally, my 8 shot 627 is a HI CAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 So its limited division with the mag pouches and holster in the same place as production? No it would still be production approved guns but you can use high capacity magazines. You couldn't shoot your STI Edge, etc in the new division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 yeah, that's too close to Limited. I think a better idea would be Production like IPSC, where you have 15 rounds and raceholsters. All minor scoring That's not a bad idea. I am not very familiar with IPSC divisions but that would work as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 A solution in search of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 we now have the NY 7 rd limit, Last I heard, the NY Supreme Court knocked down the 7-round portion of the bill Guess we're now back up to 10 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Don't see the point of a new division. If all you have is .40 production gun just shoot .40 minor. If you don't reload there is plenty of .40 minor ammo online if you look around. All that adding another division does is water down the competition in the current divisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) You might have a lot of IDPA shooters switch over... Idpa guys for the most part shoot minor with only 10 rounds already. They would be better off in the current production division Edited February 1, 2014 by bigfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeislarge Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 How about the super-duty easy Production division? You can shoot 9mm minor round production guns with major scoring and have 40 round mags. You get an automatic three second handicap over every other shooter. You can wear your gun and mags anywhere you want on your body and Texas Stars don't count. I'm in!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APL-G35 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 That's called open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeislarge Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Yeah but these guns'll work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reshoot Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I agree. Too much case lube Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) What not simply allow you fill your mags to their limit as long as they still fit in the box as the mags that come with the gun are production mags. If you want to limit mag capacity then shoot L10 or SS ... Leave everything else the same ... Never understood what is "Production" about only allowing 10 rds in the mag as production magazines hold more .... Edited February 2, 2014 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgkeller Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 This is a better idea than Limited 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris iliff Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Production Optics. Same exact rules as production, but with an optic for the guys that have aging eyes. Heck, this is the wave of carry guns anyway and it's only gonna grow. A lot!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I agree. Too much case lube That's what I was thinking tooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Production Optics Div .. I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) We really don't need any additional divisions So now you want basically striker fired limited for the guys wanting to shoot limited without an sti. Fill mags to capacity and fit the box then the taran pads would be even more popular to get max rounds. There are enough divisions as is and it's not hard to find one that suites you Edited February 3, 2014 by EkuJustice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reshoot Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Oh, oh! My turn, my turn! I want production optics classes, broken down in such a way that I am shooting only against: striker fired guns, shot by people born between 1/1/1949 and 12/31/1949. They can not be more than 5' 9" tall and must weigh at least 175 pounds. Oh, and drivers license must state corrective lenses required to drive. Yeah, that should make me competitive again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aglifter Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 It's an interesting idea, but production, as it's laid out now, should become our NASCAR, as it is the closest to "race on Sunday, sell on Monday." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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