Nick Weidhaas Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Thought some find this interesting. DPMS has shrunk their LR308 platform. The GII is now compatible w/ many AR15 components. The 20" hunter looks like a good place to start a hm build. They will also be offering the parts for those that want to build their own. Enjoy. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k4jg9VRa7fE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dk4jg9VRa7fE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Two more vids on the GII http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2mwJ94uguoI http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HL30jfzdrfo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 308 makes me happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Review of the GII http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/14/dpms-308-gen-ii/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I want.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) So in general, there are a couple of issues with the AR pattern 308's for competition. One is that the BCG is heavy enough that even with a really good comp to eliminate recoil induced muzzle movement, the reciprocating mass can only be managed with muscle. The lighter BCG in this new rifle would make managing recoil easier. Next, while the LR308 already uses standard AR15 furniture, the 308 lower receiver is about 1.5" longer in the rear. This increases the LOP, making fixed stocks feel a little too long. The extra length makes the rifle feel heavier than it is, slows down the swing and makes it harder to manage recoil. The LR308 pattern rifles eat extractor and ejector springs. They pretty much need to be replaced every 1000rds. Last, the extractors are self destructing with no projected life span. They can run 100rds or 3000rds. Total crap shoot. Looks like from this vid that they've worked to address these common shortcomings. I'm looking forward to seekng one of these rifles in person. Edited January 20, 2014 by co-exprs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 If anyone gets a chance to handle / shoot one of these, I'd be interested in hearing impressions. Especially the hunter mdl. According to DPMS they started shipping the GII's last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I shot one of the 16" rifles a few weeks ago. It was handed to me w/ a 20 round magazine and I was told "shoot this." It functioned as you would hope, recoil was comfortable, but I didn't have a standard LR308 to compare with side by side, so I can't give any good data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagdrag Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Other than the LOP being shorter due to the receiver changes and the compatibility with 5.56 handguards, how is this any better than a JP? Will manufacturers like JP now make similar rifles based on this new design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead-Head Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Saw the exploded view at SHOT and picked a few up to handle them. Could be game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Other than the LOP being shorter due to the receiver changes and the compatibility with 5.56 handguards, how is this any better than a JP? Will manufacturers like JP now make similar rifles based on this new design? The shorter LOP and wider range of furniture options are big wins all by themselves. The lower reciprocating mass is also a big win for handling. Lastly, the redesigned extractor and dual ejector spring set up should promote better in match reliability. The design of a rifle is half the job. Execution is the other half. While this new design provides some much needed innovations in the AR pattern 308 world, JP is still the master at maximizing the potential of a design through their own enhancements and in wonderful execution. Who knows what JP will be up to in the future but this new rifle doesn't make my LRP-07 any less terrific. It only mean DPMS has presented more options and choices. I would be willing to bet though, that one of these new DPMS platforms could be set up to really scream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 One question I have is, does it use standard LR308 pattern barrels? I'll have to give them a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEP44 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Being 6'7" I don't want a shorter LOP, but I'll have to call DPMS to see if I can retrofit my AP4 with that new bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagdrag Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 One question I have is, does it use standard LR308 pattern barrels? I'll have to give them a call. I foresee some co-exprs-iments with this new rifle in the future. Can't wait to hear your usually illuminating results. If it weren't for some recently enforced statutes in my state (registration requirement for new long gun purchases), I'd be more motivated to try this myself. I'll probably just wait to see what the action shooting community can come up with as improvements for this newer platform before I commit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) One question I have is, does it use standard LR308 pattern barrels? I'll have to give them a call.I foresee some co-exprs-iments with this new rifle in the future. Can't wait to hear your usually illuminating results. If it weren't for some recently enforced statutes in my state (registration requirement for new long gun purchases), I'd be more motivated to try this myself. I'll probably just wait to see what the action shooting community can come up with as improvements for this newer platform before I commit. Am I really that predictable? As a matter of fact, as soon as I got home I started looking for something to sell to get my hands on one. I already have a laundry list of things I want to try. I found the Recon 16" model at CTD for $1400. I'm betting that 16" mid gas rifle, with a long hand guard, JP adjustable gas block, JP captured spring system and my custom brake would be about the flattest running 308 ever. Might be perfect for those close, fast matches. Edited January 21, 2014 by co-exprs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Weidhaas Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 Anyone sees a hunter mdl in stock, please post info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I did fondle them at SHOT. I was very impressed. This rifle and the new modular suppressor system from H&K were the two top new things at the SHOW for me. Both have some impressive engineering behind them. I doubt that the bolt and carrier can be utilized in any other platform as it is kind of an AR-15 carrier sized to meet the .308 bolt face and barrel connection. I hope that they keep the gas volume down as DPMS is one company that has been known to use larger than typical gas ports. IMHO, the design is solid and IS a game changer. The question will be if they can maintain high quality. In any event, depending on patent issues, I would suspect that companies like JP would be foolish to ignore the design improvements made. The one piece carrier with replaceable nipple on the key is something that I'd like to see in the AR-15 platform as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 One question I have is, does it use standard LR308 pattern barrels? I'll have to give them a call. Mike, a smaller barrel extension was mentioned a couple times, so, the answer would be no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagdrag Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) One question I have is, does it use standard LR308 pattern barrels? I'll have to give them a call. Mike, a smaller barrel extension was mentioned a couple times, so, the answer would be no. So is that a different barrel extension or a different barrel entirely? Edited January 21, 2014 by bagdrag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagdrag Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 One question I have is, does it use standard LR308 pattern barrels? I'll have to give them a call.I foresee some co-exprs-iments with this new rifle in the future. Can't wait to hear your usually illuminating results. If it weren't for some recently enforced statutes in my state (registration requirement for new long gun purchases), I'd be more motivated to try this myself. I'll probably just wait to see what the action shooting community can come up with as improvements for this newer platform before I commit. Am I really that predictable? As a matter of fact, as soon as I got home I started looking for something to sell to get my hands on one. I already have a laundry list of things I want to try. I found the Recon 16" model at CTD for $1400. I'm betting that 16" mid gas rifle, with a long hand guard, JP adjustable gas block, JP captured spring system and my custom brake would be about the flattest running 308 ever. Might be perfect for those close, fast matches. I would say passionate, not predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 One question I have is, does it use standard LR308 pattern barrels? I'll have to give them a call. Mike, a smaller barrel extension was mentioned a couple times, so, the answer would be no. So is that a different barrel extension or a different barrel entirely? From a manufacturing standpoint, the blank may be the same, but, if the extionsion is smaller the shank would likely be also. I think Mike was looking for a straight exchange of barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yep. I was curious if the barrel is a proprietary design or standard configuration. The question is legit, as JP figured out how to use their standard 2" handguard on the LRP-07. Thus an AR15 handguard doesn't require a smaller barrel extension per say. I just don't know which road DPMS decided to go down in regards to the barrel dimensions. They are pretty far off the reservation with this design already and proly decided to go all out with a new barrel design too. It's not a big deal as DPMS makes accurate barrels, just not always in the most popular 3 gun configurations. I noticed that the 16" Recon is .75lb heavier than the 20" Hunter model and I'm guessing the extra weight is in the barrel profile. Lower reciprocating mass should mean you can go to a lighter rifle and still manage recoil well. Just trying to think ahead. I might give it a few months to see if they release any more barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagdrag Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If I was itchy to try it, I thought the Hunter model wouldn't be a bad place to start. Just need the barrel threaded for a brake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co-exprs Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 If I was itchy to try it, I thought the Hunter model wouldn't be a bad place to start. Just need the barrel threaded for a brake. True that. I was thinking along the lines of a lighter, quicker, more compact rifle than my LRP. I'd keep my JP set up for matches where it can stretch it's legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Inside every bull barrel is a skinny barrel waiting to be revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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