WillM Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I feel kind of dumb, but I've never had this happen before. Slide is stuck on frame of Kimber Target 2 9mm and I can't budge it. Bushing is off, guide rod, spring and barrel are loose but slide is hanging up on something on frame and will not move in either direction. I've turned it upside down, wiggled it, jiggled it, pushed down on disconnector with small screwdriver, everything but pound on it. I'm at a loss. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukerdog Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Did you remove the slide stop? Haha. Edited January 19, 2014 by Dukerdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Broken link? Is it possible you had a squib round and fired into it and bulged the barrel? That is one of the more common scenarios for jammed slides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillM Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 I'm not quite that dumb... Slide is stuck about 5/8-3/4" from rear of frame - I can't move it either forward or backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillM Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Barrel isn't stuck; it's loose so if I could slide the slide off the barrel would come with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 spray lube on it and try tapping it with a rubber mallet. My slide got stuck once when I was trying to put the gun together too dry. Locked on like it was welded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillM Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Hard to explain but it's not sticking like it's too dry, more that it's hanging up on something like the ejector or the disconnector - I can wiggle it just enough to hear it contacting something metallic. Thanks foe all the suggestions - keep me coming. Sarge the BFH is the first thing that occurred to me but I'm trying to keep calm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Sounds like something is broke then. Try turning it upside down and banging/shaking the snot out of it while trying to move the slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Disassemble the frame and pull the disconnector out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillM Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 So I lightly tapped the rear of the slide with a nylon hammer and it popped off but now I've got a gun I don't understand. What was holding the frame from moving was a pin sticking up from a hole in the frame which seems to have some type of interaction with the grip safety and with a spring loaded "push-button" in the slide. I had to hold this button in in order to get the firing pin stop and the firing pin out. Is this the Series 80 safety or something Kimber came up with? I've got two 2011s and three 1911s in addition to this (new to me) one and I've never seen this "feature". So how do I reassemble the gun? When I put the slid on it locked up again. I know for a fact that John Browning did not intend his creation to need a hammer for assembly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 That would be Kimber's Schwartz firing pin safety. It's disengaged by the grip safety instead of the trigger (Series 80). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Do a Google search regarding Kimber's Schwartz safety. The vertical pin you mention is easy to shear off if the slide is put back on with the Schwartz safety in the wrong condition. Just reading about the problem the other day. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 ... and may the Schwartz be with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscjoe Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You have to push up on the grip safety when you slide it off. Hopefully you didn't break the tip off the safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnut315 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 When you assemble or disassemble it you need to grip the frame to engage the grip safety and everything should slide together nice and easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) See if you can covert it to a 70 series gun. I'm sure Brownell's has a video on it. Every 1911 I own has been done and it really simplifies the gun and gives a much nicer trigger pull. Edited January 19, 2014 by mgardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillM Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Gripping grip safety does not lower Schwartz pin projecting out of top of slide which seems to be the problem. First thing I did was google series 80 safety because I'd heard of that but never Schwartz... Googling Schwartz I found plenty on how to disable it but not how to fix my problem without completely removing it which seems to entail destroying the rear sight which I don't want to do. At this point I'll detail strip frame and remove Schwartz safety pin, then replace firing pin with a nonKimber one which effectively disables it. This still leaves the slide detent button under spring pressure which could slow or interfere with smooth slide operation but I'll cross that bridge when I get there. FYI - I originally searched this forum and google before I posted and found only one related post from a guy who couldn't get his .22 conversion slide off a Kimber frame but there was no resolution on that thread which is why I'm posting this. I have field and detail stripped 1911s many times with no problems and was completely baffled by this problem so if anyone ever hears of anything like this again, think Schwartz. Thanks for all of the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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