No.343 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I feel like I should learn how to shoot with speedloaders in order to feel like a well rounded shooter. I've shot the moonclipped gun for a while and I am looking forward to the challenge. How do you dry-fire with dummy rounds going all over the place? It seems like I spend more time looking for my dummy rounds than I actually do practicing...I mean breaking the gun in. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cd662 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Rounds are going to go all over the place, there is no way around it. Practice with fired, dirty brass in the gun to simulate an actual extraction. Personally, I go a little too hard on my extraction rod but if you develop too weak of a stroke you won't clear your cases. There is no moonclip to help pull empty cases away and even one case not clearing the cylinder (because it's dirty, or has a small crack at the neck, or because you moved the gun upwards to fast, or whatever) is enough to piss in your cornflakes. If you try to do two dry-reloads in row, the second rep will not be realistic because the dummy rounds already in the gun will easily fall out. Personally, I do two back to back reps. I put cases in the gun, I run the drill I'm doing and do my reload, then I stuff the spent cases back in and repeat. I pick everything up, reload my speedloaders, and repeat. I think you get better training time if you incorporate the reload into something else. There's too much time spent in between reps otherwise. Make sure you don't angle the gun back up too quickly. Being sloppy with the motion can cause the extractor star to slip over a case head, and this is instant death. You have to hold the extractor rod back and ease the case out with your finger nails. The case is usually shoved in there pretty good. This eats up 5 - 10 seconds or more whenever it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 Rounds are going to go all over the place, there is no way around it. Practice with fired, dirty brass in the gun to simulate an actual extraction. Personally, I go a little too hard on my extraction rod but if you develop too weak of a stroke you won't clear your cases. There is no moonclip to help pull empty cases away and even one case not clearing the cylinder (because it's dirty, or has a small crack at the neck, or because you moved the gun upwards to fast, or whatever) is enough to piss in your cornflakes. If you try to do two dry-reloads in row, the second rep will not be realistic because the dummy rounds already in the gun will easily fall out. Personally, I do two back to back reps. I put cases in the gun, I run the drill I'm doing and do my reload, then I stuff the spent cases back in and repeat. I pick everything up, reload my speedloaders, and repeat. I think you get better training time if you incorporate the reload into something else. There's too much time spent in between reps otherwise. Make sure you don't angle the gun back up too quickly. Being sloppy with the motion can cause the extractor star to slip over a case head, and this is instant death. You have to hold the extractor rod back and ease the case out with your finger nails. The case is usually shoved in there pretty good. This eats up 5 - 10 seconds or more whenever it happens. I guess I will pick the rounds up one at a time and get some exercise out of it. I hadn't thought of using spent cases to work on unloading. Thanks for the tip. I haven't experienced the case stuck in the chamber with the extractor past it, but I've gotten one or two cases out of the chamber, but under the extractor. It seems like they always make the cylinder spin so that they are towards the frame instead of away from the frame, so they would be easier to remove. So far I've done all my dry-firing with new brass. I'll shoot some and leave it dirty for dry firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatJones Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I've thought about shooting classic occasionally. Are round nose bullets as important as it is with moons? I've not found a true round nose bullet in .44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I find that practice with loading my moon clipped gun helps loading with speed loaders. However, my moon clipped gun is a 6 banger and that might make the practice more relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIPERONE Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Pat the rounder the better. You can probably get by with the round nose flat point Cowboy bullets. That is what I am loading in my 40 S&W at the moment for my 610. They are the 180 grain bullets for the 38-40. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've thought about shooting classic occasionally. Are round nose bullets as important as it is with moons? I've not found a true round nose bullet in .44. Bear Creek makes a 240gr, moly coated round nose bullet. It's hard to get hold of the owner and it's hit and miss, if he has them in stock. They are a decent price though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&W627shooter Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Try wearing a shotgun shell style bag around your waist to catch the spent shells when you reload. At least for practice, that would minimize clean-up. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You could put a towel over the drain in the shower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopalong Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Javier put a laundry basket on the edge of the bed, or couch if bed is too tall and let your brass fall into it. You wont catch them all but you will get most! Hop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks for the tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Get one of the brass picker uppers that you rake the ground with and it's easy to get all your brass. Dillon sells them for about $45. Well worth the investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIPERONE Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 343 Like was said above Dry Firing with Reloads would be the best practice. You can pick up on any problems easier when dry firing. So you get to practice on multiple things. Sight Picture, Trigger Control, Ejection, repetition Locating your speed loader on the belt, and the Reload. Where you live it is still nasty outside. So you might need to get creative practicing indoors. The good news is the weatherman says this below zero weather should be behind up after the first of the month. We have had to cancel our last two ICORE Matchs due to weather. I am hoping for better weather in February. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 Thanks for all the help guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cd662 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 "I've thought about shooting classic occasionally. Are round nose bullets as important as it is with moons? I've not found a true round nose bullet in .44. " Yes, it helps a lot, but you can still pull off some fast reloads with other bullet profiles. The rounder and pointier, the more wiggle room you have. I've even pulled off some pretty decent reloads with double end wadcutters, but the reload has to be spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWP Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Are there holster restrictions in classic? Is my race master good to go for my 6" 686? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Restriction on Classic pertain to the firearm only. Six shot only, speedloaders, no comps or optics etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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