midget Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Well, I'm thinking of starting a new 1911 SS build. I am wondering if anyone out there has seen or has a SS gun built off of the STI Range Master frame (with the dust cover cut short for regulation) and a Unique slide profile. Frame: http://www.shootersconnectionstore.com/STI-1911-Range-Master-Frame-Special-Order-P929.aspx Slide: http://www.stiguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Slide5UniqueMainPic_1a.png Or am I just looking to create an ugly turd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Attached is a horribly photoshopped image of what I'm thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I asked John Amidon about using that frame for Single Stack and the response was negative. It has a square dust cover which doesn't fly in SS. -ivan- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Well crap... I thought the initial response was "As long as it is within the correct length, it is fine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Could be a weight issue as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 The weight difference should be pretty negligible as the slide would have been tri-topped, and any extra weight would be offset elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think the square dust cover is perfectly legal. If it's not, a lot of big matches have been won by people using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 "dust cover" not "trigger guard". And this applies ONLY to Single Stack Division. Square dust cover: bad Square trigger guard: no problem. -ivan- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsa Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 "dust cover" not "trigger guard". And this applies ONLY to Single Stack Division. Square dust cover: bad Square trigger guard: no problem. -ivan- Where in the rule book does it say that the dust cover can not be square? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I agree. I know Akai's Master series single stack guns have both the trigger guard and dustcover square, and one of those won SS in Florida Open last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjs375 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The square trigger guard shouldn't be an issue, and I don't think the square frame would be either as long as its cut back and made weight. There can't be a big advantage to a square frame compared to a light rail, and the rails have been good for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah1356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Here is mine still in the white: http://www.calhouncustomfirearms.com/?p=160 Tim Calhoun builds a hell of gun. This one runs lights out, makes weight easily, fits the box, and is SS legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Here is mine still in the white: http://www.calhouncustomfirearms.com/?p=160 Tim Calhoun builds a hell of gun. This one runs lights out, makes weight easily, fits the box, and is SS legal. Thank you! That is exactly what I was looking for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Where in the rule book does it say that the dust cover can not be square? All I'm telling you is that I asked exactly this question to John Amidon because I didn't want to spend money building a gun that wouldn't be legal. I have echoed his response here. Rather than building a gun and debating it's legality at a future match based on what I read on Brian Enos (hey: I'm not knocking this forum, I love it), I thought going to the horse's mouth on USPSA rules was more appropriate. If someone can get an official USPSA ruling that allows a square dust cover for SS, I want to hear it, as I would love to build such a gun. -ivan- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Alright, just sent this out: John, As per usual, there is a debate over on Enos and I would like your input. I'm in the beginning stages of putting together a new single stack gun and want to double check on the division legality of the frame. I am wanting to use a frame with a square dust cover (trimmed to legal length) and square trigger guard. The debate is about whether a square dust cover is allowed. Any input you can provide would be great. Thank you! -Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah1356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 My gun linked above passed muster for SS division at the Battle in the Bluegrass, as did other similarly configured pistols. It fits the box, makes weight, has a bushing barrel, has a dust cover .05 inches shorter than the maximum allowed length, and has none of the prohibitted modifications. I see nothing in appendix D5 that prohibits square dust covers. In fact, a word search of the rules shows only 2 instances of "square," one describing targets and the other describing shooting boxes. Were such a rule to exist, I would think it would be difficult to define "square dust cover" unambiguously, especially guns with rails are allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 My gun linked above passed muster for SS division at the Battle in the Bluegrass, as did other similarly configured pistols. It fits the box, makes weight, has a bushing barrel, has a dust cover .05 inches shorter than the maximum allowed length, and has none of the prohibitted modifications. I see nothing in appendix D5 that prohibits square dust covers. In fact, a word search of the rules shows only 2 instances of "square," one describing targets and the other describing shooting boxes. Were such a rule to exist, I would think it would be difficult to define "square dust cover" unambiguously, especially guns with rails are allowed. I completely agree with you, but rather than doing the "it should be, has been, is accepted" I'm just going to get John's input... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midget Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Matt, I do not forsee an issue with this with the exception of maybe not making the legal weight. Just be sure it is the proper length as outlined in Appendix D5 of 3.25 inches measured from rear of the slide stop pin to the front of the dust cover. John -----Original Message----- From: Matt Huhn [mailto:mattjhuhn@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:08 PM To: DNROI Subject: Re: A single stack question John, This one doesn't belong to me, but this is the same idea: http://www.calhouncustomfirearms.com/?p=160 Thanks! -Matt On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:06 PM, DNROI <dnroi@uspsa.org> wrote: Matt, The square trigger guard is fine, do you have a picture of the square dust cover? John -----Original Message----- From: Matt Huhn [mailto:mattjhuhn@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 10:44 AM To: dnroi@uspsa.org Subject: A single stack question John, As per usual, there is a debate over on Enos and I would like your input. I'm in the beginning stages of putting together a new single stack gun and want to double check on the division legality of the frame. I am wanting to use a frame with a square dust cover (trimmed to legal length) and square trigger guard. The debate is about whether a squaredust cover is allowed. Any input you can provide would be great. Thank you! -Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Curious... but I'm glad this result has been arrived at. -ivan- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ah1356 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Yes - thanks for the clarification. BTW, if you decide to have one built to similar specs, PM me and I'll be happy to share build details and other info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now