ogiebb Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I think it is just that is what most have or are familiar with. I run a Tac Sport in Limited. For 3 gun I just bring my mouse fart rounds. Three gun brings enough.......cough...... opportunity to empty you wallet as it is without buying a dedicated pistol. But. But . But you gotta have a gun for each division right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetropolisLake Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Im pretty much still a baby in 3gun but Ive noticed a ton of competitors prefer 2011 style pistols over others, say the Glock 34. Mind you all Ive ever shot is a G34 so I have no experience w others (with the exception of my dads Tangfoglio Witness Match Elite"), but it seems to me it would be a PIA to worry about the safety all the time. Is there something Im missing ?? Help educate me please ! I went round and round with this as well. I am familiar with the differences, and on some level, it seems to be a toss up, assuming you can run a Glock well. The glocks can be drawn and thrown in a bucket without worrying about the safety, will be very reliable, they're affordable, and have a ton of aftermarket support. The 2011's can't be beat in the accuracy department though, due to the trigger. You will never find a Glock trigger that feels like that. With 3-gun having longer distance small targets, this can be a significant advantage. Yeah there's alot of bleed-over from USPSA but the reality is that the real good 3-gun guys shooting 2011's are usually shooting 9mm's, meaning they bought it specifically for 3-gun, as 9's in USPSA don't get you major scoring. Edited January 10, 2014 by MetropolisLakeOutfitters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think it is just that is what most have or are familiar with. I run a Tac Sport in Limited. For 3 gun I just bring my mouse fart rounds. Three gun brings enough.......cough...... opportunity to empty you wallet as it is without buying a dedicated pistol. But. But . But you gotta have a gun for each division right??? Or in some people's case several. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 The fine trigger and inherent accuracy of the 1911 scares me. That is why I shoot a Glock. Glock, Glock, Glock!!! Glockety Glock Glock!!! Glock Glock Glock. Glockorama!!! I like Glockomolie!!! I really shouldn't leave myself logged into Enos at work. They call me Glockster Salad!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfSpartans Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 The fine trigger and inherent accuracy of the 1911 scares me. That is why I shoot a Glock. Glock, Glock, Glock!!! Glockety Glock Glock!!! Glock Glock Glock. Glockorama!!! I like Glockomolie!!! I really shouldn't leave myself logged into Enos at work. They call me Glockster Salad!!! They serve glockomolie in tactical Tupperware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The reason I switched from a Glock to a 2011 was a lighter shorter trigger is more foregoing and faster. The extra weight means less recoil. Mags usually hold 1-2 extra rounds. They are inherently more accurate than any of the polymer guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholastheczar Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I am having a 2011 built up right now and will be switching from a G34. I love the glock, but the trigger for me on the 2011 is what sealed the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukez Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The reason I switched from a Glock to a 2011 was a lighter shorter trigger is more foregoing and faster. The extra weight means less recoil. Mags usually hold 1-2 extra rounds. They are inherently more accurate than any of the polymer guns. Dont you shoot a CZ as well? How do you like them for 3 gun? and abandoning them with safety or mag dump for that type of gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) The reason I switched from a Glock to a 2011 was a lighter shorter trigger is more foregoing and faster. The extra weight means less recoil. Mags usually hold 1-2 extra rounds. They are inherently more accurate than any of the polymer guns. Dont you shoot a CZ as well? How do you like them for 3 gun? and abandoning them with safety or mag dump for that type of gun? I bought a CZ SP01 Shadow late last year from Matt Mink at Automatic Accuracy because I planned to shoot Production Nationals at nearby USSA in Tulsa. I bought a couple extended base pads and ran it in a state match in Arkansas to get some trigger time before Production Nats. Then it conveniently fit into the LEO/MIL division for the newly formed USCA 2 Gun Nationals. I've probably shot less than 1500 rounds thru mine but I managed to win both matches with it. For 3 gun starting cocked and locked with the trigger in SA, the trigger is actually shorter and lighter than my 2011's. The accuracy seems just as good for the kinda groups I shoot. (I don't shoot groups often enough.). The gun has run like a champ. It's a pretty solid 3 gun machine. If I was CZ or Auto Accuracy I'd be pushing it as such. The tuned gun I have runs about $1500-1800. So it's a few & cheaper than a bone stock 2011. Mags are way cheaper. Negatives are... Parts aren't even close to being as readily available. Short slide isn't as easy to grip/rack as a 2011. As far as dumping guns with safeties it pretty much isn't something I think about. Put safety on and don't ditch it in a manner that would deactivate the safety. Pretty commonsensical! Or dump mag and rack. I do both depending on the dump container. You can always run a sinkage side safety and just dump with the safety lever facing up to. Running a polymer gun cause it's easier to ditch is ridiculous IMHO. Nobody ever won a match cause they dump guns faster than everyone else. You just got ditch em smart and deliberate rather than throw them. Hope that helps if not send me a PM. Edited January 14, 2014 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I switched from a Glock 34 to a CZ 75 SP01 Shadow for production and I picked up a CZ TS 9mm for 3 gun over the holidays. From the factory the trigger was under 2lb. I have been doing a lot of work on it that included shortening the frame and this week I am doing some grip reduction work but I could have easily just run it out of the box. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-5345-0-56272900-1389581231.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 guess I may have to play around w Dad's Tangfoglio Witness Match Elite.... its very similar to the CZ75 ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enroute Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 but it seems to me it would be a PIA to worry about the safety all the time. Is there something Im missing ?? Help educate me please ! Meh, it's just a few new indexing points to learn. I came to a 2011 as I found a different STI many years ago, and love the way they build pistols and the WAY those pistols shoot- I figured the 2011 would be very similar in quality. Think back to why you started running the G34? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetropolisLake Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Running a polymer gun cause it's easier to ditch is ridiculous IMHO. Nobody ever won a match cause they dump guns faster than everyone else. You just got ditch em smart and deliberate rather than throw them. I think the fear of a DQ is what is driving this mentality, not just when dumping, but also when holstering, then you have to take it off safety when drawing. I'm sure training would take care of it for the most part. Just curious though, in terms of dumping it, realistically speaking have you ever seen anybody get a DQ then proclaim "but I put the safety on!!!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moltke Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 The fine trigger and inherent accuracy of the 1911 scares me. That is why I shoot a Glock. Glock, Glock, Glock!!! Glockety Glock Glock!!! Glock Glock Glock. Glockorama!!! I like Glockomolie!!! I really shouldn't leave myself logged into Enos at work. They call me Glockster Salad!!! Damnit! I do like Glockomolie though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Running a polymer gun cause it's easier to ditch is ridiculous IMHO. Nobody ever won a match cause they dump guns faster than everyone else. You just got ditch em smart and deliberate rather than throw them.I think the fear of a DQ is what is driving this mentality, not just when dumping, but also when holstering, then you have to take it off safety when drawing. I'm sure training would take care of it for the most part.Just curious though, in terms of dumping it, realistically speaking have you ever seen anybody get a DQ then proclaim "but I put the safety on!!!"?Yes everybody that gets DQ'd because their 2011 safety was off put it on initially but when they set/put/threw it in the dump container they did so in a manner that turned the safety off. The gun rests on the safety on the left side when you set it on its left side. If you set it down flat or on the right side the safety doesn't magically deactivate. What happens is guys slide/toss the gun across the dump table/bucket when they're in a hurry rather than just set it down and that movement deactivates the safety.Believe me I sold myself on the "Glocks are faster/easier to dump" when I was shooting Glocks. But when I started shooting the 2011 and was missing targets a lot less I realized I now had plenty of time to set my gun down deliberately rather than toss it like a softball. Edited January 16, 2014 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'd love to know this as well. I mean, aside from the obviousness of better recoil from a heavier frame and the associated improvements in craftsmanship of a $2k gun vs. a $500 gun. Trigger Crisp SA with short reset as light as you want to go. No trigger comes close to a good 1911/2011 trigger out there. Accuracy (2011 shoot tight groups. less than 2 inches is the norm at 25 yards while with a Glock its more like 3 to 4 inches) Recoil (heavier gun lighter slide less recoil) Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Running a polymer gun cause it's easier to ditch is ridiculous IMHO. Nobody ever won a match cause they dump guns faster than everyone else. You just got ditch em smart and deliberate rather than throw them.I think the fear of a DQ is what is driving this mentality, not just when dumping, but also when holstering, then you have to take it off safety when drawing. I'm sure training would take care of it for the most part.Just curious though, in terms of dumping it, realistically speaking have you ever seen anybody get a DQ then proclaim "but I put the safety on!!!"?Yes everybody that gets DQ'd because their 2011 safety was off put it on initially but when they set/put/threw it in the dump container they did so in a manner that turned the safety off. The gun rests on the safety on the left side when you set it on its left side. If you set it down flat or on the right side the safety doesn't magically deactivate. What happens is guys slide/toss the gun across the dump table/bucket when they're in a hurry rather than just set it down and that movement deactivates the safety.Believe me I sold myself on the "Glocks are faster/easier to dump" when I was shooting Glocks. But when I started shooting the 2011 and was missing targets a lot less I realized I now had plenty of time to set my gun down deliberately rather than toss it like a softball. Exactly. I have never worried about DQ because of the safety. Train/practice to where it becomes second nature and you will be fine and take the 1/4 second to set vs throw the gun down. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 I need to feel one of these 2011's .... who's in Florida w an extra 2011 that needs a few 1000 rounds put through it ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgtsvi Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 When you get ready to look at one, try the best. This is my new Multigun pistol that is ready for the new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 nice ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 When you get ready to look at one, try the best. This is my new Multigun pistol that is ready for the new season. Gawd I wish you wouldn't have posted that. Pistol lust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 When you get ready to look at one, try the best. This is my new Multigun pistol that is ready for the new season.Gawd I wish you wouldn't have posted that. Pistol lust! My thoughts exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Do you like the micro pockets over the skater tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetrulis01 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Well: I love my Glock but also like the 2011. I can run my Glock just as fast as the guys running their STIs at the local matches. That being said, if I did have some extra money I wouldn't mind having a STI. But if I can run a Glock just as fast (now this is just my situation) I cannot justify spending $2500 on a handgun. The OP can vouch on the statement of running the Glock as fast as the STIs. Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Hey if it's $2500.00 - $4,000.00 it must be better, right.....right??? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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