jmorris Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) I have no need for one as I have enough 1050's to swage anything that needs it but as an information source, this forum has always been pretty good. I am sure that more than one of my mods wouldn't get a grin from "the man" but the posts are still here. Why have the posts of the mods from G.S. been deleted? I understand posts for selling things in this forum but selling posts have been taken out before, like the shell sorter fellow and the content remains. Why is ALL of the information gone? You know the first guy that found fire got burned but many of us have found a better way of using it....? Edited November 14, 2013 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Try as I might I can't figure out what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I think he is referring to all the discussion about the swage device that could be used on a 650 press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 Yes, the 650 swage device that replaces part of the priming system. I am positive that there was a thread or two here but I can't find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 This http://www.ebay.com/itm/G-S-Custom-primer-pocket-swager-uniformer-Dillon-XL650-223-308-9mm-45-/321242799289 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigs Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 So how does it not just pop the shell plate up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassaholic13 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 So how does it not just pop the shell plate up? Seems like it would tweak or break the shell plate... How much pressure does it take to swage versus prime? I've always just the primer pocket reamers instead of swaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I think these questions were being discussed in the "missing" posts/topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 As I remember Dillon chimed in and said don't use this thing and it will void your warranty... Eventually the maker of 650 swage explained how the product was the best thing since sliced bread and the mods closed/deleted the thread. We should never speak of such things again (again not really sure why, but undoubtedly the 650 swage is pure evil) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 This http://www.ebay.com/itm/G-S-Custom-primer-pocket-swager-uniformer-Dillon-XL650-223-308-9mm-45-/321242799289 Neat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigs Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) Well, curiosity got the better of me and I ordered one. I'll let you all know how/if it works. I consider my 650 warranty voided already anyway. Edited November 15, 2013 by gigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Be sure and post your results with it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Years ago I had heard about a guy who altered his 550 to swag in station one. I think he made a steel, non sliding primer charge bar with a dillon swag tip in place of the primer cup. I always figured that would be pretty easy to do on a 550 given the geometry, and so I see there is one for the 550, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twowheels Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 It looks like a very useful tool. Combines with a sizer/deprimer die, a dillon case trimmer, and possibly a neck sizer, you should be able to completely process .223 brass in a single pass. I'll be watching closely for reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 So I'm getting ready to start reloading 223 (been reloading 9mm for about 1 1/2 yrs) and have ordered some of what I need .... Is swaging necessary on all 223 brass or only certain types or after a certain number of reloads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Only on brass which has primer crimped in - usually mil brass - but not always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 hmmmm .... so 2 questions arise then ... 1) I assume it's only certain head stamps that are mil brass? Can you tell the primer is crimped by another method? 2) I know there is no real answer to this but if I were to pick up a 1000 random pieces of 223 at a non-military range how many could I expect to be mil? 5? 100? 500? In other words, how prevalent is it? ok, that's 7 questions ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 There are several different methods of crimping pockets however, the most common in .223 would be like the case on the right. After swaging on one of my 1050's they look like the case on the left. So, you can tell just by looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 thx. Can you only tell the difference after removing the primer? Also I see the headstamp is "LC", any others that are mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It will look the same - as the one on the right - with the primer in it. Other mfrs make mil brass so it won't just be LC (Lake City). Some 9mm brass is also crimped. Also some old ( and less new) .45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Do most folks who use range pickup brass just swage everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 No. I just learned which headstamps to throw in the "needs additional attention" bucket. I sit down with some beers and do a crimp removal party in the dead of winter. The vast majority of range pickup is good to go without swaging/reaming. Of course the guys with 1050's don't worry about it since swaging comes with the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Hunter Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Like Sarge says, I run two 1050s, one set for Large, the other set for Small. Everything, all the time get swaged. Yes they are expensive - but time is money, and its done right the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Care to share which head stamps you discovered need additional TLC besides LC? I don't have a winter but I won't be setup for another month or so so I could you the time to go through my 2 five gallon buckets of brass to see if I'll need a swager sooner rather than later . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 There are a bunch that need to be swaged, likely more that don't need it. It jus depends. No one could know how wet your socks will get until they know what shoes you have on and where you are walking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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