mhoosier Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Took a class with Ben Stoeger this past weekend. The methods Nimitz and Cha-Lee describe sound closest to what we did in that class. You essentially trap and track. You have a look through sight picture so that the fiber dot appears on to superimpose on the target. The first shot goes off about the time (don't want to jerk the trigger) the swinger stops...you try to ambush it, but track it a little to a stop. Then break the second shot as you track the swinger back from the stopping point. Definitely need to find a swinger you can practice with for awhile...after a couple mags worth I really felt the right way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie45 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I'm currently a c class shooter. Started with the ambush method, but have slowly evolved to tracking. It usually allows more freedom and an earlier opertunity to get both hits. Building my own swinger is rising to the top of my to do list . Any one have building plans we can all copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I agree and since i rarely practice, trapping seems to work just fine. This is one of those rare occasions when im concerned with my splits. It often seems like an eternity waiting for a swinger to re-present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my00wrx1 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Predator tactical has a dry fire swinger for use on your computer in their knowledge base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisColridge Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Thanks for all the great info. I find that I get focused on the swinger itself and don't really see my sights. Needless to say, I have lots of opportunity for improvement! Ha! I'm also curious if anyone who has built a swinger for use in dry-fire practice would be willing to share either some pics or plans? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarge450 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Really struggle with these, had got some advise on how to shot a Texas Star and do "ok" with them but not great. Never had any idea the proper way to shot a swinger though, so these comments really help. Might order one and add it to my practice. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie45 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I just built 2 swingers. Very nice to have, both dry and live fire practice. Edited January 20, 2014 by Chuckie45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=83618 http://www.parmarng.org/freeidaho/AlSkDjFhG/index.html http://mgmtargets.com/tactical-targets/mgm-swinger?cPath=6& http://www.predatortactical.com/cart.php?m=knowledgebase_detail&id=5 http://www.predatortactical.com/uploads/media/Flashfiles/swinger_varible_rate_070704.swf Edited January 28, 2014 by eric nielsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lknbigfish Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 some great info here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazeauRacing Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I have also struggled with swingers, but my only opportunity to shoot them is at matches. I don't have access to an outdoor range or location that I can setup a swinger for live fire practice. I recently built my own swinger for my 1/2 scale targets for my daily dry fire practice which I'm hoping will be helpful. There is some great advice in this thread! http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=197928 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelGunHunter Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Lots of great advice above, but I am more of a visual learner and this has helped me. It's a video of Manny Bragg Talking about swingers to the lucky shooters at the MGM junior shooting camp. Skip to 2:12 where the swinger section starts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HROVeb2c9IY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoosier Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Looks like Powder Valley got a bunch of VV in. I just place an order for some 320. They only had1 lb containers of it though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) One thing I noticed with any moving target Bianchi included is that if I'm shooting my 40 with 155 grain bullets at 1150 fps the lead is substantially less than if I'm shooting minor 180 grain loads at 750 fps. At 15 yards the difference is enough to put you in the D zone instead of the A. It is important to use the same loads all the time. Edited May 4, 2015 by mgardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) At 15y? With V = 1,150fps. The bullet will strike the target in 15yx3'/1,150fps = 0.039sec With V = 750fps its 15x3/750 = 0.06sec Diff = 0.06-0.039 = 0.021sec. Can a very fast swinger or any moving target move its D to the position of A in that 0.021 time so that your aim at A using the slower slug could hit a D because of its slower velocity? Assuming the shooter has a +/- constant reaction time, it should cancel out and should not affect the equation. Edited May 9, 2015 by BoyGlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The longer it takes the bullet to get to the target the more time the target has to travel and you need to increase your lead accordingly. Shoot the Bianchi mover with your 9 at 1150 and your 40 at 750 and you'll see the difference. At 15 yards the faster bullet needs a 9 inch lead if the swinger is moving at 20 feet per second and the slower one a 14.5 inch lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sup38 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The Texas star gets me every time.... Shoot it wrong waste lots of ammo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Going by your data of 20fps swinger, at .021sec (travel time difference btween the 2 slugs at 15y) a point in the target can move 20fps x .021sec = 0.42" only. Neglible by any standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgardner Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Going by your data of 20fps swinger, at .021sec (travel time difference btween the 2 slugs at 15y) a point in the target can move 20fps x .021sec = 0.42" only. Neglible by any standard. You are multiplying by feet not inches. It's .42 feet which is 5.04 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 My bad. Yes it should be 0.42ft. or 5.04". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinZA Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Here in South Africa our swingers tend to move them over a circumferential distance of maybe five feet. At 20 feet per second that means a movement back and forth four times every second. Your swingers must be different to our ipsc ones. Are they longer, or differently actuated? I'd be interested in a photo if you've got one, to see the differences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Here in South Africa our swingers tend to move them over a circumferential distance of maybe five feet. At 20 feet per second that means a movement back and forth four times every second. Your swingers must be different to our ipsc ones. Are they longer, or differently actuated? I'd be interested in a photo if you've got one, to see the differencesDuring walk thru I usually time a swinger from hit on activator to "dwell" when its ideal to shoot it so I can decide/plan if I can shoot "option" targets in between them. Most average 1-1.5sec with .90 or less as exceptionally fast and 20fps is not common even on horizontal movers and bobbers. It may be the max speed but we usually engage the target at its min. speed as much as possible. Also at 20fps with limited exposure as in swingers and bobbers, Im not sure if I will be able to aim at A with any lead with any consistency. Im only an A class in open and standard in IPSC so i cannot speak for M and Gm. Uspsa movers are the same as Ipsc, afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Here in South Africa our swingers tend to move them over a circumferential distance of maybe five feet. At 20 feet per second that means a movement back and forth four times every second. Your swingers must be different to our ipsc ones. Are they longer, or differently actuated? I'd be interested in a photo if you've got one, to see the differences Here is a video of a collapsible/fold-able swinger I made. A guy down in Florida was nice enough to video himself putting it together and then activating it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbyrd01 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Very cool, thanks for posting. Looks like a project for my retired dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinZA Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Nice. It does look very similar in size to the ones we use at our club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmob50 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 No pro by any means here...but this is what I try to do... During the walkthrough, have the RO activate the swinger and watch where the target stops before it goes the other way. Then when you go to shoot the stage, remember where that sweet spot was. Activate the target and put your sights in that spot and wait for the target to appear and you should be able to get a shot or two on it...but your sights need to be where the target will stop. Works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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