lucas Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Six of one half a dozen of another,or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleL Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 FP-10, it works well. Miltec turns to gum when the rifle is heated up. Kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Precision40 Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Have had good luck with FP-10 in mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 run fp10 on everything. Open gun, AR, benchmade hinge. I saw a test years ago at the national matches where the firepower guys were stopping a bench grinder with blocks of metal. The one with FP10 on it would not stop the grinder, while the rest did stop. As far as I can tell it was all the same type of metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 FP-10, it works well. Miltec turns to gum when the rifle is heated up.Kyle Seriously? Under what conditions? (Just curious) E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 take both and torch them. The FP10 stays liquid. But the Miltec seems not to trap as much dirt when used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 I thought the point of the Militech was that once the metal was "conditioned", you wiped the liquid off. I'm headed to the shop to do some loading anyway. Might as well break out the torch while I'm handing powder and primers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonub Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 its user preference i use both so i think that is a good answer to your question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowsure Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 I'm headed to the shop to do some loading anyway. Might as well break out the torch while I'm handing powder and primers... Reminds me of the old Adams Family series...No...thats uncle Fester checking for gas leaks.....LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 I've used Miltec for 3 yrs. now and have never seen the gum refered to. It has proven to me that it holds up under adverse conditions and attracts less dirt. I use it on all my guns and they run when others don't. There are plenty of fine products out there, none of them will take the place of good maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spd522 Posted November 28, 2004 Share Posted November 28, 2004 I prefer Militec. It seems to stay cleaner and noticably slicked up my HK91, ARs, and my Benelli. I tried FP10 and although it worked fine, the guns seemed to get dirtier faster. It reminded me of Break Free and that was a reason I quit using Break Free. Just too dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycanthrope Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Militec gets gummy in the cold. FP-10 has lengthened the life of my 7STW to a current count of 1200 rounds and .5 MOA. Those things usually eat barrels at this count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 I just bought some FP-10. To me, Militec feels slicker than FP-10 and does at least *seem* to provide better lubrication than FP-10 after most of the liquid is wiped off. I shot my AR in approx. 32F conditions with the Militec and noticed no gummy anything, but maybe I need to throw the rifle in the deep freezer. Or, maybe I'll just throw the Militec in the freezer... I also did the torch test on the Militec vs. CLP. I had to get the metal VERY hot to notice any change in the Militec's consistency. Yes, it gels a tad due to the carrier evaporating, but that's WAY better than the way CLP turns to water. After I cooked it, I wiped the test piece down and the Militec side still felt nice and slick. The CLP test side felt like crap in all conditions. I guess you have no idea just how lousy the stuff is until you try something good. All I know is that it's just eerie how well my AR bolt slides into battery now with the Militec vs. CLP. I'd use either product and feel perfectly fine about it. Both are miles ahead of CLP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 EricW, are you indeed running the gun dry after removing the remaining militec or are you leaving a film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas Posted December 1, 2004 Author Share Posted December 1, 2004 Well i'm confused.I already have FP10 and just ordered some Miltec.Its cold weather shooting that concerns me most, living in OR,and so far we have one vote for good ,and one for bad.Do we have a tie breaker,if so chime in please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 EricW, are you indeed running the gun dry after removing the remaining militec or are you leaving a film? The gas rings and locking lugs are being left wet...for now. Regardless, even the light film of Militec left over after shooting 150 rounds is still WAY better than filling my gun with CLP ever was. Needless to say, I'm very surprised at the difference in lubrication quality. My gun ran with CLP as well, so who knows if any of this goofing around is necessary unless you're to the sandbox (or Reno). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Yeah.....I've never had luck with CLP for any surface that gets somewhat hot. It quickly runs off and leaves the surface dry after a short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Larry, From what I understand now that I've done some reading, the "lube" in CLP is powdered teflon. The liquid is just carrier and cleaner - hence the reason it evaporates (I think most of mine just flings itself right off the bolt / carrier during operation). So, idiots like me that fail to read the directions and don't shake the can of CLP before spraying end up shooting all the powdered teflon out of the can at the get-go and are left with a can of something that has basically no decent lubricating qualities. I actually question whether powdered teflon could ever really work that well as a lubricant. I have a bottle of Hoppes dry powdered teflon and it's basically totally worthless. It has no affinity for metal whatsoever. Graphite provides much better lubrication than powdered teflon. Anyway, back to lube agnosticism.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Current CLP spec has no teflon. The lube is an oil. I'm not sure if current BreakFree CLP has teflon or not, but Royco 634 does not. FP-10 is a CLP and it has no teflon either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 From the can of Break Free CLP I have in the garage: Secret formula contains multiple ingredients including specially treated PTFE Shake Well I have absolutely no clue what the military uses. The above is the CLP I was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 Ah ... sorry about that. Yeah, CLP is a mil-spec for the stuff they use on their weapons. Not all of the commercial CLPs meet the specs at any given point in time. I don't know who has the current contract, but Royco 634 is what they used to use and is still available to the private citizen. There's no teflon in it or in anything that meets the current mil-spec for CLP. BreakFree CLP is a fine product, but it's probably not the best for any given application. The teflon is an additive to make the oil/lube more effective under certain conditions. If all you have left if the dry teflon, you need to reapply. As you know, dry teflon by istelf is a poor lubricant for any sort of sliding friction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 Received my Miltec today,and it reads,apply thin film,then at your convenience fire enough rounds to bring gun up to operating temp.The heat and friction completes chem bond,and will impregnate into metal.In dusty,or very cold environments,the gun may now be wiped dry with no loss of lubrication.I'm not going to run the first stage,then wipe dry with a LMOS thats for sure,unless someone here has done it successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Militec gets gummy in the cold. How cold is your gun when this happens? I've left mine rifle out in about 27F and it still seems fine. I can detect no gumming at all...just like I couldn't get it to gum up with the torch test. I wonder if Militec just has crappy QC and I got lucky and I got a good batch with the test sample. It would suck to buy a case of it to sell and end up giving everone refunds. It does *seem* better than FP-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodhazard Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Father, they know not who they question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 "Bring the gun up to operating temp..." This is a serious question, can I blow dry the parts with hair drier instead? ...aw crap, why don't I just shoot militec an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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