Headshots or shoot between the no shoots?

[Supermoto]

Headshots or shoot between the no shoots?

Pick one and practice.

Pick both and practice both

[38supPat]

I go for the body. I just shot the classifier "Oh No" 09-03 and it has similar targets. I went body and just shot nice controlled shots, not slow, but made sure the sights were in the A zone for every shot.

Fwiw I saw Jerry M shoot an array similar to this, probably closer though, running .11 splits on target and .13 splits target to target at the '98 North Americans. All the other GM's on the squad went running to check the timer, it was freaking fast!

[Powder Finger]

So shooting the upper box is another way of saying I don't care if I get hits I just don't want to hit a white target?

If you can hit the head you can hit the big A box below it.

Edited November 8, 2013 by Powder Finger

[kirbinster]

So shooting the upper box is another way of saying I don't care if I get hits I just don't want to hit a white target?

If you can hit the head you can hit the big A box below it.

Technically you are 100% correct. The problem is that fear factor in the brain enters when you are shooting between the no shoots, yet it does not interrupt your concentration when you are shooting at the head. Now if there were just a way to turn that fear factor off everything would be roses

[Powder Finger]

So shooting the upper box is another way of saying I don't care if I get hits I just don't want to hit a white target?

If you can hit the head you can hit the big A box below it.

Technically you are 100% correct. The problem is that fear factor in the brain enters when you are shooting between the no shoots, yet it does not interrupt your concentration when you are shooting at the head. Now if there were just a way to turn that fear factor off everything would be roses

keep at it till there is no fear.

Brian told a story about Matt M. once.

Brian said I knew Matt had figured "IT" out by this:

Matt says he's out shooting an El Pres type deal and running it in the X.XX second range,

"then I put no shoots around the targets and started shooting it faster".

[mercer]

Aim for neck!!! Always works for me.

[lef-t]

I've gotten in the habit of treating NS and Hard cover the same as if there's just no target there. I do much better if I just focus on where I want to hit and making sure the sights are there rather than worrying about the pressure of the penalties. Granted the pressure is there, but I'm redirecting my focus onto "doing" something rather than "not doing" something.

[Ultimo-Hombre]

I don't know that treating no shoots and hard cover the same is the best strategy for all.

[lef-t]

I don't know that treating no shoots and hard cover the same is the best strategy for all.

Agreed. It's the mindset that I'm currently at and it helps for me. There's more risk to be considered with the no-shoots, but I just found that with both, my approach should just be focusing on the available target area whether there's black or white around it. After putting it that way I think I'll call this the "Museum of Tolerance" approach. I don't see black or white, I just see A zone.

[Silver_Surfer]

A zone in the morining. Upper A in the afternoon.

[Nimitz]

I will eloborate on what I said earlier that 'slowing down' in not the solution. It's been said by at least one top GM instructor that slowing down usually results in the same crappy hits, just with a slower time. The answer is to select a different technique appropriate for the targets, which in this case might be switching from a normal target focus since the targets are close, to more of a front sight focus because of the no-shoots. This will undoubtly result in a relatively slower time but with better points and is definitely not the same thing as 'slowing down'.

Slowing down is never the right answer since this sport is about shooting alphas as fast as you can ....

[Nik Habicht]

Sounds like skill and confidence level have a lot to do with how you would shoot this stage.

Skill, yes, but really, knowledge of and confidence in YOUR skill level has a lot to do with it.....

[Chris iliff]

I'm redirecting my focus onto "doing" something rather than "not doing" something.

That's good stuff!! So now, it's on everything I post, hope you don't mind lef-t. Look at my sig line at bottom.

Edited December 26, 2013 by Chris iliff

[Front Man]

Like.

[Mpie427]

Shoot it how you know you will hit things...if that is to slow down a fraction then do it. Head or the A zone doesn't matter - only the good shots count.

[Ultimo-Hombre]

Hard cover and no shoots are opposite ends of the universe for me. I can haul ass, call my shots and see I plugged hard cover and make up the shot and move on. .2 time loss and party on. Drilling a no shoot is a totally different story!

[glockified]

Aiming for the neck usually works for me. May sacrifice some points, but rarely hit the NS.

[chalkdust21]

Shoot for the body. Just make sure you stop the gun on each target so you don't pull off too early and put a shot into the no shoot during a transition.

[Rob1125]

I have done a lot of emergency vehicle operations driving courses. One of the things that sticks out in my mind is look to the place you want to go. If you look to the area you want to avoid, you will invariably end up there. Just this simple concept increased my lap times dramatically. I've applied this concept to shooting and have seen an increase in accuracy and a decrease in penalties due to misses or NS.

I would go for the body and ignore the NS. Be patient and the hits will be there just as fast as if the NS didn't exist.

Edited July 12, 2014 by Rob1125

[pjb45]

We shot this stage recently, I am returning after about a 8 month layoff due to illness. On a previous stage to this one, I shanked a tight shot into a barrel twice before hitting the pepper popper. So when I got to this stage I went with all head shots because I was not confident with my accuracy/trigger control.

Head shots were the same presentation for each target.

If I had more practice time for accuracy, I would have gone for the body shots. Normally, I don't notice hard cover or no shoots but without practice I took a very conservative approach based on my performance in a previous stage.

[Brooke]

Someone once asked Jack Nicklaus how to hit a hook and he responded, "think hook". Conversely many golfers when faced with an out-of-bounds-left tee shot think, do not hit a hook. Ninety percent of the time they hit a hook. Your body has an amazing ability to execute whatever you are thinking even when you are thinking "do not do that".

Thinking do not hit the no-shoot will get you a no-shoot. Think what you want to do, not what you want to avoid. Try thinking hit dead center on this mother.

[pjb45]

Lanny Bassham addressed this in his book, With Winning in Mind.

[Nimitz]

When you are faced with a difficult shot what is your first thought ?

1. Don't miss this shot

Or

2. I always shoot alphas on this type of target.

Most will answer #1 .... Most also never make it past B class either ....

[garp]

Good advice from all depending on each shooters ability.

My shooting theory is, if I take the time, no matter what the amount of time is needed for my shooting ability, to aim at the head shot, given this target set up, then why not use that same amount of time and shoot at the "larger" A zone of the body. If you approach it in the positive thinking process, there is only an A zone to shoot at, as was previous mentioned from another shooter. I prefer the larger shooting area then the smaller area.

If a person took the head area of a target and removed it from the rest of the target, then took and just cut the area of the lower A zone of a target, and you placed them both at the same distance from the shooter. And that was the only two targets of a COF, which target would have the most shots at and hits in it at the end of the day? Given that a shooters goal was to hit the exact center (just using an example) of the A zone of the head or the exact center of the body A zone, the shooter has a far more margin of error on the larger A zone to miss the exact center vs. the head margin and achieve the goal.

What surrounds the A zone should not distract you from your goal.

And yes, I have shot a lot of No Shoots with this theory of mine. But, that just shows me that I have to work on shooting more A zones. Hence, why I keep going back to the matches Saturday after Saturday. My destination has not been met yet, I am sill on the journey.

I love this shooting game!!!

[CSStreett]

Slow down just a little and shoot A's. Just don't slow so much that the extra points don't matter.