bradandash925 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I have two brand new 650's with the same problem. I took the screw out to replace the shell plate and it will not go back in. I thought maybe it was the machine so I tried it on another brand new 650 same problem. What am I doing wrong? I can get it in there a little then it just stops I do not want to force it because maybe it isn't going in the correct way. I tried a little wd-40 with no luck. attached is a pic. The pic is bad because I had to reduce the file size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I have two brand new 650's with the same problem. I took the screw out to replace the shell plate and it will not go back in. I thought maybe it was the machine so I tried it on another brand new 650 same problem. What am I doing wrong? I can get it in there a little then it just stops I do not want to force it because maybe it isn't going in the correct way. I tried a little wd-40 with no luck. attached is a pic. The pic is bad because I had to reduce the file size.keep messing with it. It should go right back in. Next time just loosen it about a turn and leave it in there. It doesn't have to come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradandash925 Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 I definitely will not take it out all the way next time. I just wish I could get them all the way back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelindsey Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I took mine all the way out and lost it by mistake. Defiantly a new by thing. I emailed Dillon and had a new one in two days at no charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I don't have a 650 but the screw should be the same principle as a 550.Not sure what they call that piece hanging down on the ram, but it looks very close to the hole for the screw and may be keeping you from going in straight. Get a clear,straight on position and the screw should easily thread in. Use a long Allen wrench and not your fingers.Don't get frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelindsey Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 The way my bench is set up that hole is a bit of a shadow. There has been many times I have used a flaslight to find it and get a straight line of sight. Make sure your using the right size of wrench and pull out just enough to loosen it. Then re tighten when everything is back together . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohn Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Clean the threads on the shaft and on the screw. That will help and then try to reinsert. It will work as I have had to do that and then DON'T take it all the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuildSF4 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I don't have a 650 but the screw should be the same principle as a 550.Not sure what they call that piece hanging down on the ram, but it looks very close to the hole for the screw and may be keeping you from going in straight. Get a clear,straight on position and the screw should easily thread in. Use a long Allen wrench and not your fingers.Don't get frustrated. As Youngeyes said, the cam appears to be obsuring part of the hole, which would not allow you to get a straight shot at the threads. There should be a little play in the cam so you can push it out of the way and then get a straight shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradandash925 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 still no luck I can get it about half way in now and it is stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuildSF4 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 still no luck I can get it about half way in now and it is stuck. Disassemble and remove the ram, either send it to Dillon or have a machinist buddy fix it, (may void warranty so ask Dillon about this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastiff Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 That set screw begs the operator be gentle, as most screws on Dillion's components do. I learned early that certain things didn't require 100% disassembly to be adjusted. Some tend to over tighten every screw on the machine. Over the years Dillon has replaced many stripped parts for me at no charge, even when taking full responsibility for my stupidity. But you learn. And Dillon thankfully makes these lessons as inexpensive as possible. The OP didn't have a shot because he removed the screw. Sometimes I look at a screw and think it must be removed, but this is one that must or at least should stay put. Okay, the horse is out of the barn and the screw is removed. I'd bet there was bad lighting and he fought the angle of approach to the hole. The thread in the ram is stripped or goobered up, at least it looks that way. I can't fault him for pulling the set screw all of the way out, he just may have not known. If the ram is scarred, I'd get a new one and not play with it. I'd buy my self a long t-handle Allen wrench. It only takes a turn or so of the screw to loosen up the shell plate bolt - leave the screw in. And no need to bear down on it when tightening her back up, remember its purpose. Take two aspirin and call Dillon in the morning. This qualifies for a Holy Grail award, this was a twofer. Been a few of them today. When things don't go well on certain sessions, I move over to my single stage, throw in a decapping die, grab a bunch of 223 and knock out some spent primers. I figure I can't get into too much trouble, unless of course I bend a decapping pin. And that's not such a bad thing, especially when you're using the inexpensive a Lee die, heck I think they're $10-12 bucks. Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD1 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 move what is inside of ram. clean threads with correct size tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohn Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) Post edited as posted to wrong forum. Sorry Edited October 14, 2013 by mjohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henny Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Does the brass tipped screw still have the brass tip on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandof Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Order new screws from Dillon and clean the threads up with a bottom tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradandash925 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Problem solved I just used a drill to force it in now it works just fine. I think the hole was not tapped all the way. Thanks for the suggestions problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonman16 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 PLEASE, be careful, FORCING THINGS on progressive presses can lead to REALLY BAD JU-JU HAPPENING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ztarget Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) I've learned the hard way on many projects that if something that should be simple isn't working, take a look at it with fresh eyes. Using a drill to force a screw is how you strip threads, then make the project take longer, make it more expensive, need extra trips to the hardware store, create idiot marks, etc. Glad it worked though.... edit to add: I'm not going to go and take the screw all the way out of my 650 to see if i'll have the same problem. Edited October 14, 2013 by ztarget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Move the indexing ring round so that the hole is on the right side of the ring and put the screw in..... It will never go in while the indexing ring is covering part of the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSteel Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 A ball tipped T handle driver is the way to go here. It's got a long enough reach and the ball end allows the set screw to find center. With a socket head set screw like this it's all about alignment. Usually a slight turn in the CCW direction befor going CW will allow the screw to align. If it came out easy, it should have gone in the same.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradandash925 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Move the indexing ring round so that the hole is on the right side of the ring and put the screw in..... It will never go in while the indexing ring is covering part of the hole. I did do that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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