asimonp79 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 wow. thanks for great info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Great thread. I've owned quite a few Open guns and speaking with gunsmiths and esp. with some SVI test-pilot shooters, seemed like the consensus was take about 2x as much from the rear as from the front of the slide. With a dot and a few different recoil springs it is quickly apparent when a change is helping or when it's making things worse. Some amount of weight (front or back) out of a 1911 or G20 or G21 slide will usually seem to help, those were designed for 190 power factor. Some other platforms that are chopped and then pic-posted on here were probably light enough already. I had an Open Glock that I wanted to add weight to the slide; when I hung lead plumber's tape on it (Mad Scientist's idea) at the practice range, it seemed to shoot better. 2cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay1 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Great thread Cha-lee! Any new awareness in this? I´m also thinking about lightning up the slide of my CZ TS. My thoughts (and hopes) were to reduce the recoil by lowering the moved mass by letting the statical mass (grip) untouched. Am I wrong or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted December 24, 2013 Author Share Posted December 24, 2013 Great thread Cha-lee! Any new awareness in this? I´m also thinking about lightning up the slide of my CZ TS. My thoughts (and hopes) were to reduce the recoil by lowering the moved mass by letting the statical mass (grip) untouched. Am I wrong or not? Taking weight out of the slide can reduce the magnitude of muzzle flip, but it also results in more of a sharp or harsh felt recoil. If your goal is to reduce the felt recoil, then taking weight out of the slide is the opposite direction you need to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay1 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Thanks for that input. So what will help me out? Giving it more weight to the slide or to the grip ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) Jayjay, Are you reloading? What about your recoil spring/hammer spring? There are some less invasive ways to reduce felt recoil you might want to check off the list before you start chopping up your prized pistol If you want to try adding some weight to the slide I have a TS rear sight I drilled and tapped for a slide racker. ETA: how's your grip strength? Edited December 25, 2013 by kneelingatlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay1 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Hey Atlas, I do reload all my ammo. Where can I get different "lighter" reoil springs for my TS? My grip strength is my biggest problem, I do have a "tennis arm", which I can´t heal. Having it now for nearby a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Wolff springs is a good source for springs (gun springs.com). As far as the tennis arm, I see a Czechmate in your future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay1 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) Oh, I would like to, but my wallet won´t. I hope I get that dang arm healed again. I checked out Wolff springs, but couldn´t find reduced springs for the TS. Their website is a little bit intransparent for me. Edited December 25, 2013 by jayjay1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 The TS uses the same recoil springs as the 75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay1 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 (edited) So the 12 lbs is the original? Should I take an 11, 10 or 9, or all three and test them? "CZ75 B Models:Reduced Power - Pak contains 1 each reduced pwoer recoil springs in 9, 10, 11, and 12 pounds. Three extra power firing pin springs are also included. (Stock No. 13124)" Is the "B" right? Or the Standard Modells or Long Slide Models? Edited December 25, 2013 by jayjay1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 The reduced pak would be good, I think the B springs have a taper at the end, but the TS has no block, so I would go with the non B. I think you'd really need to get the slide/rails polished up to get it to function with a 9# spring, but 10 and 11 worked well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay1 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 So I have to use the "Standard" ones, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 great reading , precious infos.thanks cha-lee for sharing your testing results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbarnett50 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Very interesting results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer1 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 So what about taking the weight out of the slide to have less reciprocating mass but adding something like tungsten guide rod to try to add the weight back in to keep recoil down? I have done both myself but can't say that I am a good enough shooter to quantify any difference in performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 You can add more non-reciprocating weight to the gun to make it feel softer while shooting. The possibilities are endless really so it comes down to what you like and want it to feel like. You can make the gun really heavy and that will make it feel really soft shooting. But there is a point of diminishing return. You can make the gun shoot too soft and make you lazy in gripping the gun hard. I have found that a really soft shooting gun makes me actually shoot slower and less accurate because I get lazy on gripping the gun. I need a little bit of harshness during the recoil to keep me diligent in gripping the gun hard. I recently switched from heavy bull barrels over to bushing barrels to increase the harshness. Doing this took out about 2oz of non-reciprocating weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Interesting... I'm curious what bullets you shoot in your limited guns... From your comments above, I'm guessing you shoot 180gn or maybe 165gn bullets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 I prefer shooting 180gr bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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