MattBurkett Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Yeah, stage one should be tossed especially since we weren't allowed to check the score on the target. At the match they had thrown out any un-hit target penalties in the first round of scoring. The shooting was a blast! I just want to know how they did everything score-wise after everyone left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Matt: rejoice in the fact that VN gunfighter won! Like Picasso said " you got to draw the line somewhere". Sorry I wasn't there, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway as I am still shooting Iron sights. I know the feeling however, about not really knowing....can you say ITRC?? Robbed at one rewarded at another, it all balances out in the long run. See you at Mesa. KURT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garryowen Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 No, we are not throwing out Stage 1 (Matt would have still come in 3rd) and the penalties were applied equally. As I stated, this is as good as it's gonna get for this year. Next year we will use standard scoring (no matter what we are told) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Kurt, yeah Mesa should be a kick! Can't wait for that match! Take care bro! BTW email me your address if you would to matt@burkettvideo.com Gary, First of all, no match I have ever been to has ever had a stage where the shooters were not allowed to check their targets, then the staff scored and burned them. (And yes that would have changed the results - check the math if you want.) Secondly, penalties were not applied in any consistent manner whatsoever so you can't say they were applied equally. I.E. stage 7 where I received an un-hit target penalty and 2 FTN's for 20 seconds. Double jepardy ring a bell? Even if the above were corrected I would probably still be second by about .2 of a second. Jimmy shot a better match esp. on Stage 2 (which was thrown out). He all but handed my ass to me on that stage. On second thought he did! He shot a way more solid match than I did and he deserves first. I understand this was the first match for the crew and I did have quite a good time except for the clay (which was really kind of funny although tiring) and the scoring. If there is another one, let me lend my experience with the system set-up (RO training etc.) so it will run smoother. FYI it doesn't matter to me whether it was 1st or 3rd. What matters is that it was done right. Take care, Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 No, we are not throwing out Stage 1 (Matt would have still come in 3rd) The results with the improperly scored, unverified, surprise 300-yard stage discarded would look like this: 1. 318.29 Wakal, Alex 2. 324.24 Holdsworth, Jim 3. 335.21 Burkett, Matt 4. 340.04 Darst, James 5. 405.89 Powe, Bill Not that I'm partial to the odd-looking (but obviously fast shooting) fellow there at first in the "corrected" scoring list Alex Reference:1-- 0329.34 Holdsworth, Jim-- 1st Open (-5) 2-- 0340.04 Darst, James-- 2nd Open (-0) 3-- 0350.21 Burkett, Matt-- 3rd Open (-15) 4-- 0373.29 Wakal, Alex-- 4th Open (-55) 5-- 0420.89 Powe, Bill-- 5th Open (-15) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 LOL That is pretty funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dunn Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 What happened to Benny Hill? Those 500 second times are hard to recover from! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Benny just went home on Saturday and chose not to finish the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted November 23, 2004 Author Share Posted November 23, 2004 Can I pretend to throw out the two stages I screwed up too? Can I, Can I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garryowen Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 Folks... Everyone but 4 shooters got to see their 300 yard Target (and unfortunatly Matt was one of them)...The rotation from the pits was that after you shot, you went to the pits, pulled your target and put up a new one... The last firing order only had 4 people and they did not have to go down into the pits. As far as the scoring being FUBAR... yes, it was, but the way it worked out, a missed target was +20....seems kind of stiff, but wouldn't missing a hostile target possable carry a stiff penalty in real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 The difference was we didn't actually SCORE the targets IN the pits. Of the four San Angelo shooters on the same rotation, NONE of us counted the same number of hits as were eventually "assigned" to us by someone else later. All the other targets over the course of the match were scored in front of us. There is a difference. Not that I care, particularly, but lets be honest here. The 300 yard targets were not scored in the presence of, nor were they verified by, the shooters. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactustactical Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 I have to agree with Wakal on the scoring or lack of it in the pits. We were asked to just take a quick look at the targets, pull them down, write a name and shooter number on them and place them in a big pile. The urgency was to get the targets ready for the next squad. We were told these would be scored and available for review that evening and the next morning. There was simply no way there was enough time to get an accurate count of your own score. Not that it matters much overall, whether I was first or fifteenth is not really that important to me. My hope is that if this match continues on an annual basis, that the kinks get worked out. I would rather talk about how much fun it was and how much mud collected on my shoes than worry about rather the scores are close to being right and are the penalties assessed evenly across squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garryowen Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 We are going to make sure these things are addressed next year or we will not be there. Again I am sorry for the troubles the match had this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 All the complaints aside, this was a REALLY FUN match. I loved the Huey stage, and the "shooting from the rooftop" stage was neat...heck, there really wasn't a bad stage. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 Gary, Yes, I hope the kinks get worked out and I am able to shoot the match next year. BTW, this is a game not real life. :-) I hope that in real life a shooter wouldn't do much of what we did in the match. I.E. Stand here and shoot those 13 targets without moving etc... Take care, Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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