rules & hot weapons

[Hulk]

Do you allow holstering of hot pistols or do you leave them, if the stage continues with a long weapon?

How about hot rifles/shotguns do you leave or carry them along while shooting pistol an a multi weapon stage?

Do you guys have the 3gun rules on the net somewhere?

Thank you

[BLISH LOCK]

HULK

at our 3 gun matches we ground the weapon , table - chair - dummy -etc.

safety on and pointed down range ,continue on with long gun

but not more than 3-4 steps to the sides and never forward of grounded weapon

the 2nd weapon is staged forward for the transistion

we have found its safer to only have 1 weapon at a time

[Vince Pinto]

Hi guys,

Are you discussing IPSC? If so, don't confuse a 3 Gun Tournament (i.e. three separate events, each using a single firearm) with a Multi-Gun Match (more than one firearm used in a single stage).

IPSC does not recognise "Multi-Gun Matches", however the USPSA does, and you can obtain a copy of the provisional (?) rules at the USPSA website.

[bgary]

The USPSA multi-gun rules will be reviewed between now and the January Board meeting, and we *hope* to have some substantial improvements before the new shooting season starts.

At present, in the multi-gun rules, you may lay a "hot" firearm down as long as you comply with 10.5.3 (you must be in control of it as you put it down, you must stay within a meter of it, it must be in a "ready condition" specified in the rule).

If you want to move more than a meter away from a firearm during the course of fire, the present multi-gun rules *require* that the firearm be completely empty, and there are restrictions about moving downrange of a firearm left behind like that.

We are working on language which would allow course designers and shooters more options, without crippling our "belt and suspenders" approach to safety. One of the options being discussed is something like:

-- the course may include a "bunker" which holds the firearm in a safe position and orientation. A firearm in a "bunker" does not have to be completely empty, only in a specified "ready" condition (eg, safety on).

-- if no bunkers are used, then either (a) the firearm must be left completely empty, or ( the firearm must be positioned in a device which controls direction, and the course must be designed in such a way that positively prevents anyone from being in front of the firearm until it has been cleared at the end of the course of fire.

As you can see, we are attempting to work out an approach which provides options to the shooter, options to the course designer, and allows for the possibility that not all clubs may be able/willing to invest in building "bunkers", but... at the same time, we want to be SURE that the rules enforce safety, first and foremost. Toward that end, the devil is in the details, and we have a lot of work still ahead of us.

Bruce

[anttiman]

Do you guys have the 3gun rules on the net somewhere?

Rules:

www.dpmsinc.com/dpms_tri-gun-rules_2004.pdf

LINK

[Jim Norman]

We have used directional rcking to store a non-cleared firearm. We set up a table with a rug sling that the rifle or shotgun is placed in after completing the section of the COF requiring that system. It is so placed that no one can go forward of the muzzle where ever the transition point is. We generally place it at one side berm, or at a wall that is the furthest point forward on the COF.

I have also been to matches where you transition to pistol from rifle by either slinging the rifle, empty, or simply hold the rifle in your weakhand and transition to a stronghand only pistol string, generally 8 or fewer shots at that point.

No problems as long as you have experianced ROs and reasonably experianced competitors.

Just like USPSA Action shooting is not the place to learn basic pistol shooting, Three gun is not the place to learn action shooting.

Even when we are not running USPSA 3-gun, we ask for the USPSA number. it gives us a way to verify some level of experiance.

I have also head that some matches require a resume or references.

Jim Norman

[wgnoyes]

Do you guys have the 3gun rules on the net somewhere?

USPSA Provisional Multi-Gun

USPSA Tournament

USPSA Shotgun

USPSA Rifle

[SGDM]

Let me say this, about that.

Put the safety on, keep yer finger off the trigger, holster it or sling it.

Most of the AD's or breaking the 180, for those of you that have one, occur while the shooter is attempting to unload the weapon. When you start making the shooter unload and/or ground a weapon while they are amped up and moving out smartly, something bad always happens, and most of the time, it is the top shooters with the most experience.

I have seen it happen many times while on the range practicing, conducting training, during competition, and combat.

[lmccrock]

Let me say this, about that.

Put the safety on, keep yer finger off the trigger, holster it or sling it.

Most of the AD's or breaking the 180, for those of you that have one, occur while the shooter is attempting to unload the weapon.

The long gun "break the 180" occurances I have seen have all been while slinging, or the gun flopping around while slung. All by people who were not experienced while slinging/unslinging long guns.

Hot transitions need to be taught and practiced outside of a match. Too many people get to a match which allows or encourages the practice, then screw up when they try it for the first time with the clock running. If you want to allow hot transitions, provide an alternative for those who have not practiced it, perhaps box or tube to leave the gun safely.

Lee