bluedevil008 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I can't go lower with the receiver without touching the serial #, Already change the front sight with Hi viz tri comp, same POI, maybe putting a spacer between the rib and sight would raise the POI. The factory choke has the same POi with Carlson Right, but notice how thick the receiver walls are, and how much higher the outside of the walls are compared to the inside. On the side of the receiver opposite the serial number, I took the outside all the down to within less than a mm of the edge that starts the flat wall of the upper receiver. Made a HUGE difference. I also took it down on the serial number side on the part where the # isn't, and ramped it up towards the serial number. @Jadeslade, I just did some, and I noticed the handguard was definitely causing the shells to catch. The biggest problem is the receiver above the magazine tube hasn't been beveled enough so the shells hit that part like a wall. I'm going to take a bunch of material off that area so that it's the proper angle. I'll post some before and after pictures this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffgats Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 That would be nice if can post some pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I can't go lower with the receiver without touching the serial #, Already change the front sight with Hi viz tri comp, same POI, maybe putting a spacer between the rib and sight would raise the POI. The factory choke has the same POi with Carlson Well, if you can't get to a 50 yd range, just stick with what you've got and use Kentucky windage, like we used to do with BB guns when were kids. Until you figure out what you want to change. It can get like chasing a zero on a rifle. I use a Spark II from HiViz for the front fiber optic sight and the factory mid bead and I line up the mid bead so it's exactly halfway up the fiberoptic. I also have a 1/8 inch Cheekeeze pad on the stock where my cheek weld is. Practiced my mount so its very close on mounting. The rib is level when I'm welded to it. I think body type, facial structure, length of pull and all of the other myriad factors all play a part in how well a shotgun will shoot slugs (and shot). We 3 gunners don't ordinarily take the time, effort and money that trap and skeet shooters do to get their guns custom fitted, but I think it is worthwhile doing ourselves. It doesn't sound like anything is drastically wrong with your set-up and maybe if you go practice with a friend who can watch you shoot and play with the little things, it might just fall into place. 1301 is a very adjustable gun for us. On my Benelli, there is no mid-bead, so with the Spark II, I just mount the gun so the fiber dot just sits on the rib like a rising sun. Again, level from my cheek weld. Also, I don't know if its shadows or what ,but your handguard seems to stick up a lot more than mine did when I bought mine in June of 2013. Mine was barely an 1/8 inch too high. Also, Neomet and Dave Marques have posted a bunch of pictures in this thread-maybe look at them again. Also Redneck Tactical Facebook page has pictures. I mean Neomet and Dave made whale vaginas. I took my time and I "became the shell" and just slowed down the whole loading thing so I could tell where the hangups were. That's what got us mucking around with the carrier spring. Plus I asked Eric Eckhardt and Rob Romero what they did and looked at their guns. Conclusion was do your thing to the gun, but practice time was the most effective reducer of times once some basic smoothing and modeling of the port were done. Edited November 10, 2014 by Jadeslade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffgats Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I can't go lower with the receiver without touching the serial #, Already change the front sight with Hi viz tri comp, same POI, maybe putting a spacer between the rib and sight would raise the POI. The factory choke has the same POi with Carlson Well, if you can't get to a 50 yd range, just stick with what you've got and use Kentucky windage, like we used to do with BB guns when were kids. Until you figure out what you want to change. It can get like chasing a zero on a rifle. I use a Spark II from HiViz for the front fiber optic sight and the factory mid bead and I line up the mid bead so it's exactly halfway up the fiberoptic. I also have a 1/8 inch Cheekeeze pad on the stock where my cheek weld is. Practiced my mount so its very close on mounting. The rib is level when I'm welded to it. I think body type, facial structure, length of pull and all of the other myriad factors all play a part in how well a shotgun will shoot slugs (and shot). We 3 gunners don't ordinarily take the time, effort and money that trap and skeet shooters do to get their guns custom fitted, but I think it is worthwhile doing ourselves. It doesn't sound like anything is drastically wrong with your set-up and maybe if you go practice with a friend who can watch you shoot and play with the little things, it might just fall into place. 1301 is a very adjustable gun for us. On my Benelli, there is no mid-bead, so with the Spark II, I just mount the gun so the fiber dot just sits on the rib like a rising sun. Again, level from my cheek weld. Also, I don't know if its shadows or what ,but your handguard seems to stick up a lot more than mine did when I bought mine in June of 2013. Mine was barely an 1/8 inch too high. Also, Neomet and Dave Marques have posted a bunch of pictures in this thread-maybe look at them again. Also Redneck Tactical Facebook page has pictures. I mean Neomet and Dave made whale vaginas. I took my time and I "became the shell" and just slowed down the whole loading thing so I could tell where the hangups were. That's what got us mucking around with the carrier spring. Plus I asked Eric Eckhardt and Rob Romero what they did and looked at their guns. Conclusion was do your thing to the gun, but practice time was the most effective reducer of times once some basic smoothing and modeling of the port were done. its just a shadow, I got mine about 2 months ago, replaced my trusty Supernova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Using one of the earlier pics, I think this cut on the left side would help quads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkS_A18138 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I have ask on here a number times if anyone knew of an Open class 1301 and the answer has been no....I will now say there is a company working on it, not sure when it will happen. I am betting before the spring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Details sir! Details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afletcher1965 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 What kind of work/lubing are you guys doing to the inside of the extension tube to make sure the spring doesn't bind up or anything? Anyone use silicon spray or light oil on the spring? I'm not sure if that is any issue or not but just checking to make sure I have my bases covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I've never done anything inside the tube. There's usually a light film of oil on the spring, not so much because I put it there as much as it just went there on its own after a good rem oil hose down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Powdered graphite works great inside mag tubes. It also works great in Surefire 60 rounders and fixes many of the malfunctions in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I know of several "open 1301,s" they are in the hands of the Italian national open team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I'm starting to think you own a graphite store Kurt. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 You picture me owning a store??? Do I look like a clerk to you? Or perhaps a haberdasher with a side line in hardware? I'm in the oil business sir, so for me to recommend graphite, it must be good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffgats Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Right now as mentioned from my previous posts my 1301 is shooting hight, I will try to take out the MID BEAD sight and just use the front sight, thus avoiding the #8 sight a alignment, maybe it lower the POI?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Actually Kurt, I could see you owning the general store in a wild west town 120 years ago. But I probably wouldn't start any trouble in your store because despite that silly green visor thing your wearing, I think there's a coach gun under your counter and you know how to use it. Ffgats, when I got my 1301 I immediately didn't like the mid bead but I thought I'd give it a chance before removing it. First day out I found it distracting and my slugs happened to be hitting way high. That night I decided it had to go, took it out the next day and it turned out I had inadvertently fixed my poa/poi issue. All was well with the world so I never considered putting it back on to verify that it was causing the slug problem. Edited November 14, 2014 by TonytheTiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Right now as mentioned from my previous posts my 1301 is shooting hight, I will try to take out the MID BEAD sight and just use the front sight, thus avoiding the #8 sight a alignment, maybe it lower the POI??That might actually do it. Everybody's eyes a little different. That would be exactly like shooting a Benelli, putting that fiber optic right down on the rib like a setting sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Ugh!!! You had to go all green visor on me didn't you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon49erfan Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I just put the mid bead in the middle of the fo sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremekramer Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) https://vimeo.com/111883937 First stage of my first 3 gun match back in July. Actually loaned out my 1301 to two guys having issues with there JM Pros on the final two stages. The guys were great at instructing me at what to do and giving great tips and advice. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edited November 14, 2014 by xtremekramer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Looks like everything went hunky dory with everything,especially the 1301. Nice. Don't you just want to blast those cowboy bad guys?[emoji41] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremekramer Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) Went really well. Came out 8th out of 12 on 4 of the 6 stages. Which was surprising since I was taking it slow on purpose. Came out 11th after forgetting a spinner on the last stage and attempted to take it with my pistol! Total brain fart when I ditched the 1301! After putting 5 or 6 rounds on it and started to go for a reload the RO recommended I take the penalty since "you will never flip that with a 9mm" Taking one shot would have gotten me out of the not engaged target, but the additional shots added to my time + penalty. Nice lesson I guess for my first time out! Shooting the cow boy targets would be fun! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited November 15, 2014 by xtremekramer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phong Nguyen Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I think that asymmetric cut mentioned earlier does help. A local gunsmith did this for me and when I compare my strong hand load 2 with the factory version, this one is noticeable smoother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffgats Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Right now as mentioned from my previous posts my 1301 is shooting hight, I will try to take out the MID BEAD sight and just use the front sight, thus avoiding the #8 sight a alignment, maybe it lower the POI?? Happy to report that my 1301 is now shooting POA/POI without the MIDBEAD. although its still shooting a little left, maybe my mounting stock/ cheek relationship still needs a little adjustment ( cast off?) thinking of getting a Gel-tek or maybe a rear sight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremekramer Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Heads up guys, Beretta has 40% off for cyber Monday on their website. Just ordered a few chokes for my 1301. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 OK. Shot match today with 12+1 tube on my 21" and my first use of quad loads in a match. Gun worked awesome. Loads were pretty easy. Left hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now