OscarMike Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Looking at one of these or the Versamax....anyone in the south puget sound (Washington State) own one that allow me to put a couple rounds through it on their next outing before I dump some coin on one? I know an odd question..... I own both. The loading on the versamax is so much easier if you dual or quad load. In stock form I'm sitting between 4 and 4.5 seconds shoulder to shoulder for 8rds of duals on the versamax. The versamax is heavier, the kick is a little less. The 1301 has been very reliable, but all kinds of stuff keeps falling off it. The mid bead, and then the paddle both fell off during matches. The rest of the finish and fit on the 1301 is great. The 1301 points a little better, swings a bit better, and I like the stippling better than the rubber. Out of all the guys at our local shotgun match, there were several in top 10 (myself included) with the versamax. I didn't see a single 1301 in the top 20. Honestly, the versamax is where I'd go if I were you. Here's a write up I did on all 3 for my first impressions... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=197102 Haha that doesn't mean anything. It's the shooter not the gun. The rest of your comparisons are applicable but not standings at a local shotgun match. c'mon man Also, the dual/quad loading I completely disagree with. In stock form, the versamax is near impossible to load with, it's gritty, springs are too strong, and the lifter will bite you like a shark. The 1301 has really thick/high walls, and is hard to get your hand high enough in the gun, but everything is else is much smoother. I think that the standings at a local match are more than applicable. I'm sure PCS352 is a new 3G shooter. So, on our local series (filled with a lot of mid range shooters.. not pros)... the shooters are taking the highest places in versamaxes, and not 1301's. That tells me it's an easier gun to get good and fast with. Plus, can you name anyone on the 3GN Pro Circuit that's using a 1301? I've heard Brian Vaught, and that's it. Almost everyone is using the M2 or VM. That's got to speak volumes. I own both and load much quicker on the VM. Plus, the shell bite can be fixed with a competition lifter from brownells. Not a big deal. I'd agree that things felt gritty at first, and the loading was tight at first. After about 200 rounds, everything wore in. I haven't modified my gun at all. At... All. And it feels smooth as butter. If you're ever in the area you're welcome to shoot it. But, that's just my opinion, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarMike Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Here's the lifter, in case someone reading our conversation can't find it. http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/trigger-group-parts/carrier-parts/carrier-assemblies/competition-carrier-sku767001088-68367-144301.aspx?aid=27795&source=ir&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-IR-_-59979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Looking at one of these or the Versamax....anyone in the south puget sound (Washington State) own one that allow me to put a couple rounds through it on their next outing before I dump some coin on one? I know an odd question..... I own both. The loading on the versamax is so much easier if you dual or quad load. In stock form I'm sitting between 4 and 4.5 seconds shoulder to shoulder for 8rds of duals on the versamax. The versamax is heavier, the kick is a little less. The 1301 has been very reliable, but all kinds of stuff keeps falling off it. The mid bead, and then the paddle both fell off during matches. The rest of the finish and fit on the 1301 is great. The 1301 points a little better, swings a bit better, and I like the stippling better than the rubber. Out of all the guys at our local shotgun match, there were several in top 10 (myself included) with the versamax. I didn't see a single 1301 in the top 20. Honestly, the versamax is where I'd go if I were you. Here's a write up I did on all 3 for my first impressions... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=197102 Haha that doesn't mean anything. It's the shooter not the gun. The rest of your comparisons are applicable but not standings at a local shotgun match. c'mon man Also, the dual/quad loading I completely disagree with. In stock form, the versamax is near impossible to load with, it's gritty, springs are too strong, and the lifter will bite you like a shark. The 1301 has really thick/high walls, and is hard to get your hand high enough in the gun, but everything is else is much smoother. I think that the standings at a local match are more than applicable. I'm sure PCS352 is a new 3G shooter. So, on our local series (filled with a lot of mid range shooters.. not pros)... the shooters are taking the highest places in versamaxes, and not 1301's. That tells me it's an easier gun to get good and fast with. Plus, can you name anyone on the 3GN Pro Circuit that's using a 1301? I've heard Brian Vaught, and that's it. Almost everyone is using the M2 or VM. That's got to speak volumes. I own both and load much quicker on the VM. Plus, the shell bite can be fixed with a competition lifter from brownells. Not a big deal. I'd agree that things felt gritty at first, and the loading was tight at first. After about 200 rounds, everything wore in. I haven't modified my gun at all. At... All. And it feels smooth as butter. If you're ever in the area you're welcome to shoot it. But, that's just my opinion, man. No, but the only thing I know about Pros and shotguns is that Taran runs a Benelli and Ryan Muller and Jesse Tischauser run a Stoeger. Eric Eckhardt uses a 1301, and I've talk to several other top shooters who have nothing but good things to say about it. Beretta doesn't do much in the way of 3 gun marketing so that could easily explain why not many pros are using it. As for the gun itself, almost everyone I've talked to equates its performance to an M2. I've personally shot all three and I would say the 1301 feels very similar in its handling to a TTI M2, but for way less $$$. The VM is a good shotgun too, and for those who like a heavier gun, it shoots fantastic. KC Eusebio has won championships using a clearly inferior platform, and I personally have won matches using a dirt-cheap terrible optic sitting on crappy pieced together AR, so yes I don't think finishing at a local match does much in the way of proving itself. That's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedPR Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Greetings! New to the 1301, just got a 21", 50 rounds. Can You tell me which choke tube should I use with Rifled Slugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkS_A18138 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I know one thing the 1301 fills a nice spot in the 3 gun market...A gun with very soft recoil that is great for the person that does not have a strong upper body..2oz heavier than an M2..The VM is great gun but heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Bryan Ray also shoots the 1301 .... if Beretta paid the pros they'd be using it too ... results at a local match dont show a new user what his best options are.... Ive shot all 3 and hands down will take the M2 or my 1301 ... on slug accuracy alone ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTN Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'd like to know this also. Extended choke link would be great. On page 2 there was a link to Carlson Chokes at Brownells. I called them but the only chokes they have for a 1301 is Beretta Chokes $57 each Greetings! New to the 1301, just got a 21", 50 rounds. Can You tell me which choke tube should I use with Rifled Slugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Ive gotten the best accuracy using my stock IC.... I also have a M & IM but I try to stick w IC when I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'd like to know this also. Extended choke link would be great. On page 2 there was a link to Carlson Chokes at Brownells. I called them but the only chokes they have for a 1301 is Beretta Chokes $57 each Greetings! New to the 1301, just got a 21", 50 rounds. Can You tell me which choke tube should I use with Rifled Slugs? You can buy straight from Carlson's. http://www.choketube.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmt Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'd like to know this also. Extended choke link would be great. On page 2 there was a link to Carlson Chokes at Brownells. I called them but the only chokes they have for a 1301 is Beretta Chokes $57 each Greetings! New to the 1301, just got a 21", 50 rounds. Can You tell me which choke tube should I use with Rifled Slugs? You can but the Carlson chokes from Optics Planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedPR Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Which is the best choke tu use with Winchester Super X Rifle Slugs (hollow point 2 3/4 Inch, 1600, 1oz) and with 00 buck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcs352 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 OscarMike, on 22 Oct 2014 - 3:54 PM, said: bluedevil008, on 22 Oct 2014 - 3:39 PM, said: OscarMike, on 22 Oct 2014 - 3:34 PM, said: pcs352, on 22 Oct 2014 - 12:26 AM, said: Looking at one of these or the Versamax....anyone in the south puget sound (Washington State) own one that allow me to put a couple rounds through it on their next outing before I dump some coin on one? I know an odd question..... I own both. The loading on the versamax is so much easier if you dual or quad load. In stock form I'm sitting between 4 and 4.5 seconds shoulder to shoulder for 8rds of duals on the versamax. The versamax is heavier, the kick is a little less. The 1301 has been very reliable, but all kinds of stuff keeps falling off it. The mid bead, and then the paddle both fell off during matches. The rest of the finish and fit on the 1301 is great. The 1301 points a little better, swings a bit better, and I like the stippling better than the rubber. Out of all the guys at our local shotgun match, there were several in top 10 (myself included) with the versamax. I didn't see a single 1301 in the top 20. Honestly, the versamax is where I'd go if I were you. Here's a write up I did on all 3 for my first impressions... http://www.brianenos...howtopic=197102 Haha that doesn't mean anything. It's the shooter not the gun. The rest of your comparisons are applicable but not standings at a local shotgun match. c'mon man Also, the dual/quad loading I completely disagree with. In stock form, the versamax is near impossible to load with, it's gritty, springs are too strong, and the lifter will bite you like a shark. The 1301 has really thick/high walls, and is hard to get your hand high enough in the gun, but everything is else is much smoother. I think that the standings at a local match are more than applicable. I'm sure PCS352 is a new 3G shooter. So, on our local series (filled with a lot of mid range shooters.. not pros)... the shooters are taking the highest places in versamaxes, and not 1301's. That tells me it's an easier gun to get good and fast with. Plus, can you name anyone on the 3GN Pro Circuit that's using a 1301? I've heard Brian Vaught, and that's it. Almost everyone is using the M2 or VM. That's got to speak volumes. I own both and load much quicker on the VM. Plus, the shell bite can be fixed with a competition lifter from brownells. Not a big deal. I'd agree that things felt gritty at first, and the loading was tight at first. After about 200 rounds, everything wore in. I haven't modified my gun at all. At... All. And it feels smooth as butter. If you're ever in the area you're welcome to shoot it. But, that's just my opinion, man. Awesome discussion guys I sincerely appreciate it. The community here and at that range has been more than helpful. I need to convince the finance committee and go pick one up. Using a different shotgun on every stage can't be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootsforfun Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 How is the 1301 with Walmart loads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegrassfarmer Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 How is the 1301 with Walmart loads? I primarily shoot the Wal Mart Federal bulk stuff. It eats it like pacman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawg308 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 How is the 1301 with Walmart loads? I primarily shoot the Wal Mart Federal bulk stuff. It eats it like pacman. Ditto. Both my 1301's eat it like they're $.10 hot wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkS_A18138 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 The 1301 also eats the sub-sonic fed 1 1/8 like .10 hot wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootsforfun Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Ok I just wanted to make sure and I have seen slp not shoot them. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afletcher1965 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I was just watching a video of a guy loading his 1301 Comp and the shells were going in really easy. There was no effort at all. I was really surprised because even with the tube empty it takes a little effort to push a shell in. If I get up to 8 or 10 shells loaded it is really hard. Am I working with too much spring tension or something? I have a Nordic extension tube and should be able to run 12 plus 1. I did cut some off the spring...think it was around 12" based on what I had read on here. It doesn't make sense to me that it is so hard. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedevil008 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I was just watching a video of a guy loading his 1301 Comp and the shells were going in really easy. There was no effort at all. I was really surprised because even with the tube empty it takes a little effort to push a shell in. If I get up to 8 or 10 shells loaded it is really hard. Am I working with too much spring tension or something? I have a Nordic extension tube and should be able to run 12 plus 1. I did cut some off the spring...think it was around 12" based on what I had read on here. It doesn't make sense to me that it is so hard. Any thoughts? Obviously there will be more effort required on the last few shells, but if your spring is tuned right, it shouldn't be difficult by any stretch of the word. I have my tube set up to do 13+1 and even on the last couple shells they go in smooth and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbuster1 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) The only load my 1301 wouldnt run was a light 7/8. It would fire but wouldn't cycle the gun. That really sucked. Back to Winchester Wally loads.no worries. Someone had given me the box of light loads where I didn't read the fine print. My fault. Edited October 28, 2014 by Dustbuster1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Sup? Been 2 days without a post slackers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrisk Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Beretta 1301 with opened up loading port and c-rums extended lifter. The backside of the handguard was beveled a little to take the edge off for dual loading. Who did the work opening your loading port? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrisk Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Figured I would throw a couple pics in of my modded loading port and C-rums carrier. Loads quads great. Who did the work opening the loading port on your gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBoboutfitters Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Beretta 1301 with opened up loading port and c-rums extended lifter. The backside of the handguard was beveled a little to take the edge off for dual loading. Who did the work opening your loading port? We did it here. The only work that was sent out was the c-rums welded lifter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Figured I would throw a couple pics in of my modded loading port and C-rums carrier. Loads quads great. Who did the work opening the loading port on your gun? Did it myself. Files and masking tape. Then polished it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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