Nalle2491 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 It’s happens to the best of us. I had an embarrassing situation the other day at a tactical handgun class where the RO said make ready and then got distracted talking to a student. I went back to “dry firing” but in reality I fired a shot. Luckily it was right through the alpha zone. Getting embarrassed on the range is a great way to learn from our mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosswoodford Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 This is an interesting topic - I watched an MD get DQ’d by a high school RO a couple weeks ago. MD was fine with it, but a quote stuck with me. ”There are two shooters in this sport, those who have DQ’d and those who will” I do my best to think through how I’m going to do *everything* but I still wonder if/when the time will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Rosswoodford said: a quote stuck with me. ”There are two shooters in this sport, those who have DQ’d and those who will” There are thousands of shooters who would probably argue that. Nothing says we are destined to DQ in our lifetime in competition. That being said, I could DQ tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosswoodford Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Sarge said: There are thousands of shooters who would probably argue that. Nothing says we are destined to DQ in our lifetime in competition. That being said, I could DQ tomorrow. I don’t disagree with you, but I tend to think the point was it can happen to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rosswoodford said: I don’t disagree with you, but I tend to think the point was it can happen to anyone. It CAN happen to anyone but it WON'T happen to everyone. I hear you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janskis Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 6/22/2018 at 5:06 AM, Dpolk said: It’s not s matter of if a shooter will be DQ but when. I got DQ for ND because I had just done some trigger work and had an issue and on tap rack it went off, funny thing is the round hit the target I was engaging but they said unsafe gun as well as ND. They said unsafe gun because my finger was nowhere near the trigger. Oh well such is life. At least in IPSC this would NOT have been a DQ. "All firearms must be serviceable and safe". In an event where the gun goes off by itself, the shooter must inform the officials immediately and give the firearm for inspection. If the said shot WAS the fault of the firearm, no DQ and the competitor and attempt to fix the firearm. If the gun can't be fixed, it is unserviceable and unsafe -> new gun or go home. If the shot was NOT the fault of the firearm -> DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 In IPSC, if it is confirmed that a faulty firearm caused the AD, you get zero score for that stage - and a chance to fix the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 4 hours ago, perttime said: In IPSC, if it is confirmed that a faulty firearm caused the AD, you get zero score for that stage - and a chance to fix the gun. That seems odd. The gun going off is not your fault but it’s still your fault enough to zero you on a stage? Seems you should get a reshoot using such logic. BUT, for the record, I prefer the USPSA version of the rules in this case. A gun firing by itself is more unsafe than you firing it by accident. It makes no sense for it to be “OK” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Sarge said: That seems odd. The gun going off is not your fault but it’s still your fault enough to zero you on a stage? Seems you should get a reshoot using such logic. BUT, for the record, I prefer the USPSA version of the rules in this case. A gun firing by itself is more unsafe than you firing it by accident. It makes no sense for it to be “OK” . I don't know the justification - but IPSC is the game available to me and that is the rules: 10.4.8 In this Section, if it can be established that the cause of the discharge is due to a broken or defective part of the firearm, the competitor has not committed any safety infraction in this Section, and a disqualification will not be invoked, but the competitor's scores for that stage will be zero. 10.4.8.1 The firearm must be immediately presented for inspection to the Range Master or his delegate, who will inspect the firearm and carry out any tests necessary to establish that a broken or defective part caused the discharge. A competitor may not later appeal a disqualification for an accidental discharge due to a broken or defective part if they fail to present the firearm for inspection prior to leaving the course of fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janskis Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 14 hours ago, Sarge said: That seems odd. The gun going off is not your fault but it’s still your fault enough to zero you on a stage? Seems you should get a reshoot using such logic. BUT, for the record, I prefer the USPSA version of the rules in this case. A gun firing by itself is more unsafe than you firing it by accident. It makes no sense for it to be “OK” . Probably in a vast majority of cases, the stage will be zero anyways due to misses and FTE's so no point to count the hits for everyone for the benefit of just a few others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANFARM Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 First DQ at last Sunday’s Match . Was a pretty clever stage and the creator warned us not only in the the safety briefing , but right before we started the stage as well . I was first shooter......had a total brain fart..foot way over fault line to reach a target......STOP....DQ........I was flabbergasted....how could I be so stupid after specifically being warned!! Anyway..wound up running the rest of the squad through remaining stages and pasting ..picking up steel......wasn’t doing anything anyway!! Hopefully lesson learned........some comfort in knowing 8 shooters were DQ on this stage..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, TANFARM said: First DQ at last Sunday’s Match . Was a pretty clever stage and the creator warned us not only in the the safety briefing , but right before we started the stage as well . I was first shooter......had a total brain fart..foot way over fault line to reach a target......STOP....DQ........I was flabbergasted....how could I be so stupid after specifically being warned!! Anyway..wound up running the rest of the squad through remaining stages and pasting ..picking up steel......wasn’t doing anything anyway!! Hopefully lesson learned........some comfort in knowing 8 shooters were DQ on this stage..... Can you elaborate? Foot fault got you a DQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 To get 10.5.17 A shot fired at a metal target from a distance of less than 23 feet,... you'd have to be 3ft over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANFARM Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 This stage was a 180 situation......just a weird set up.....of course it was totally my error anyway....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 A stage with lots of DQs is sometimes called a DQ Trap. Something wrong with design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Got DQ'd for drawing in a Cooper Tunnel. Missed the pre match meeting because RO asked me to move my truck to give more room for people to walk. They also did not go over it in the stage breifing because I guess they went over it in prematch meeting. Hell I had never even saw a Cooper Tunnel and thought it would be much safer to draw once in position. Oh well, no biggy. Safety first regardless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Broncman said: Got DQ'd for drawing in a Cooper Tunnel. Missed the pre match meeting because RO asked me to move my truck to give more room for people to walk. They also did not go over it in the stage breifing because I guess they went over it in prematch meeting. Hell I had never even saw a Cooper Tunnel and thought it would be much safer to draw once in position. Oh well, no biggy. Safety first regardless! It’s in the rules. Rules are not generally rehashed in shooters meetings or WSB’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Broncman said: Oh well, no biggy. Safety first regardless! Great attitude. 2 minutes ago, Sarge said: It’s in the rules. A first time shooter made a comment to me at my last match "on you tube I can find all kinds of videos of people shooting matches but couldn't find anything that would help me prepare for shooting a match". I think we are crazy for not having USPSA rules videos and courses. It just would not be that hard or that expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncman Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, Sarge said: It’s in the rules. Rules are not generally rehashed in shooters meetings or WSB’s Yes it is. But untill that match, I had never even seen one or heard of one! Got plenty of time now to read the rule book!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalle2491 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 If you shoot long enough it will happen. It’s embarrassing but you’ll look back and learn from your mistakes! Don’t let it weigh on you to much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Not exactly a training video like I wish we had, but it shows common mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rritchie82 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 It’s not a matter of if but a matter of when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 9 hours ago, rritchie82 said: It’s not a matter of if but a matter of when. Not always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revoman Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 21 hours ago, rritchie82 said: It’s not a matter of if but a matter of when. That is always the lamest saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Was at the USPSA Nationals in the mid '80's. Gearing up in the safety area and up walks a well known national champion/trainer. I moved to give him room and he proceeds to do a practice mag change. I asked "@#$% what are you doing" he turned pale "oh $@!t" looked sheepish. packed up and left. Anyone can have a moment. I never said anything and he finished fine, but no win that year. The above video should be required viewing!!!! Edited October 8, 2018 by pskys2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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