motosapiens Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 (edited) For a dfferent perspective. I was at a USPSA match yesterday where a competitor vociferously argued a hit on a NS. It was a shot just outside the A zone of the underlying scoring target, and he really wanted the hit to avoid the mike and partially offset the NS penalty. An overlay (mine, as a matter of fact, since I try to remember to have one on me for the USPSA matches I attend) was involved. The RO felt that the overlay circle as he centered it did not touch the perf. The shooter argued that the RO's placement of the overlay was incorrect (I think the shot was slightly angled, so the hole was not truly round) and that it did touch. A lot of hemming and hawing by the RO ensued. Other opinions were sought. The shooter did not have it go his way, but this goes to show that an overlay does not end the arguing or controversy or doubt. Thanks for posting! This is just another confirmation that overlays are NOT the end to controversy and scoring disputes that some folks claim. Regardless of the scoring method, disputes can and WILL happen when humans are involved. Human eyesight...humans with overlays...similar issues. Yep, since in one particular situation (edge hit), they are harder to use, we should just guess! I like your way of thinking. If you can't achieve perfection, there is no need to even try. lol. Edited September 28, 2013 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 After reading this thread, I have determined two things: 1. BillR1 is the greatest troll ever. 2. BillR1 was on the Tiger Teams Well done, on both accounts,Sir!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammerJammer Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I have met a few people that would argue for sacrificing a baby before a match it IDPA put it in the rulebook and curse you if you objected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 After reading this thread, I have determined two things: 1. BillR1 is the greatest troll ever. 2. BillR1 was on the Tiger Teams Well done, on both accounts,Sir!. Neither are true, but thanks for playing. Too funny...I'm simply someone that agrees with IDPA's scoring methods. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It doesn't really matter what ANY of us think. IDPA has determined what works best for them and have decided how they will score. Works for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I have met a few people that would argue for sacrificing a baby before a match it IDPA put it in the rulebook and curse you if you objected. All you have to do is prohibit sacrificing a baby in the USPSA rulebook, and it will be mandatory in the next IDPA rules, lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 After reading this thread, I have determined two things: 1. BillR1 is the greatest troll ever. 2. BillR1 was on the Tiger Teams Well done, on both accounts,Sir!. Neither are true, but thanks for playing. Too funny... I'm simply someone that agrees with IDPA's scoring methods. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It doesn't really matter what ANY of us think. IDPA has determined what works best for them and have decided how they will score. Works for me! But, it does matter what we think, we are the customers. What we think determines where we spend our money. And there are a few changes I don't like, makeing me really think about where my money will go next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillR1 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 After reading this thread, I have determined two things: 1. BillR1 is the greatest troll ever. 2. BillR1 was on the Tiger Teams Well done, on both accounts,Sir!. Neither are true, but thanks for playing. Too funny...I'm simply someone that agrees with IDPA's scoring methods. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It doesn't really matter what ANY of us think. IDPA has determined what works best for them and have decided how they will score. Works for me! But, it does matter what we think, we are the customers. What we think determines where we spend our money. And there are a few changes I don't like, makeing me really think about where my money will go next year. And that's the way it should be! If you don't like something bad enough, let your feet and wallet do the talking. If IDPA saw a significant decrease in participation due to their policies, I'm sure they'd rethink their positions on some things. That's clearly NOT happening in my area anyway. We have a waiting list of people wanting to take the SO class, and match attendance remains very strong. It looks like they're doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 After reading this thread, I have determined two things: 1. BillR1 is the greatest troll ever. 2. BillR1 was on the Tiger Teams Well done, on both accounts,Sir!. Neither are true, but thanks for playing. Too funny... I'm simply someone that agrees with IDPA's scoring methods. I'm sure I'm not the only one. It doesn't really matter what ANY of us think. IDPA has determined what works best for them and have decided how they will score. Works for me! But, it does matter what we think, we are the customers. What we think determines where we spend our money. And there are a few changes I don't like, makeing me really think about where my money will go next year. And that's the way it should be! If you don't like something bad enough, let your feet and wallet do the talking. If IDPA saw a significant decrease in participation due to their policies, I'm sure they'd rethink their positions on some things. That's clearly NOT happening in my area anyway. We have a waiting list of people wanting to take the SO class, and match attendance remains very strong. It looks like they're doing something right. IDPA is doing well in my area too. Not as well as the other game, by a turn out of 2-1 at the local clubs. And most likley next year I for one will be doing a lot less IDPA, and very little if any IDPA sanctioned matches. I'll probably just save my money for the bigger USPSA shoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Somebody please call the renderer so we can haul this dead horse off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 But...but...but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 This is what I will start carrying around.. Crystal Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass is 5.5 inches in length. Crystal Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass is presented in a lovely gift box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm300 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 idpaoverlay device.jpg This is what I will start carrying around.. Crystal Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass is 5.5 inches in length. Crystal Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass is presented in a lovely gift box. If you don't add an overlay, that list is useless (;-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 idpaoverlay device.jpg This is what I will start carrying around.. Crystal Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass is 5.5 inches in length. Crystal Black Swarovski Crystal Magnifying Glass is presented in a lovely gift box. Does it fit in the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammerJammer Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Ive changed my mind. Overlays take too long. I'm good with whatever the highly trained RO feels I deserve. I'm glad we talked this out guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris iliff Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I just can't imagine that they do it that way solely because other sports don't. Do you know all the reasons IDPA was started? Where it stemmed from? It's origins? I do believe that if it came from USPSA, some sports would never adopt anything, no matter the logic/benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgulley Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 if you have to look that close, the shooter gets the benefit of the doubt. The new IDPA rulebook is already out. Just read it. Refer to 11.2.8 This. If you see or feel favoritism is being applied in scoring, complain to the MD, if its the MD doing it complain to HQ. What he said. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Oh for fuzzy crap sake. It's not as much about favoritism as it is as about inconsistent scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I could give a fuzzy crap about overlays. It's the damn PE's I'm eating for taking a damn step when I reload that's killing me! It's hard not to swear as soon my foot moves forward before I can stop it because I can see the SO's damn index finger rising in my peripheral! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 yeah since they will be watching for foot movement I've ordered a set of these to watch the SO's expression of his face if my index foot starts to rise.. http://www.amazon.com/Rearview-Spy-Glasses-Mirror-Vision/dp/B000NPGMHM also,since it is now a rule to sign ALL score sheets, i will also use one of these.. http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Message-Invisible-Writer-Spy/dp/B000UVNSV2/ref=pd_bxgy_t_text_y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRodriguez Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 you could wear a ankle length kilt. you can't penalize what you can't see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 you could wear a ankle length kilt. you can't penalize what you can't see With a crinoline of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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