Fkimble Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Currently loading 9mm with those hard Tula sp primers. Am getting low and am on the hunt for more of any type. Also am wanting to swap out the hammer spring again in my old CZ75-B for a lighter one to help with the double action and hopefully a little on the single action. Replaced it a couple years ago with a 15lb due to my current Tula primers. OK we all know Federal are the lightest. At least thats what i've always heard. But alas there are none to be found in my neck of the woods(S of Atlanta). So whats the current consensus on ranking of SP primers? Candidates are in no particular order: Feredal, R-P, Winchester, CCI, Wolf/Tula(noticed one or two of the major online suppliers no longer list these in their primer list). Saw some MagTech a few years ago, any others? My quess would be Federal, Winchester, CCI and Wolf/Tula. but would like to hear from the higher volume competion shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngeyes Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Here you go and welcome to the forums. PRIMER CHART & REFERENCE GUIDESmall Handgun Standard .017" cup thicknessCCI 500Federal 100 - Has a soft cup - good to use if hammer strike is light.Federal 100M - Match version of aboveMagtech PR-SPMagtech PR-SPC - Lead-free "Clean Range" primer for indoor ranges etc. Remington 1 ½RWS 4031Winchester WSPWolf/Tula Small Pistol SP #KVB-9 - brass cup - "For Standard Pistol loads"Wolf/Tula Small Pistol #KVB-9SP - "For 9×19 NATO cartridges"Wolf/Tula Small Pistol #KVB-9S - "For Sporting Pistol loads"Small Handgun Magnum .017" cup thicknessCCI 550 See Note 1 at the bottom of page Federal 200Federal 200M - Match version of aboveMagtech PR-SPM Remington 5 ½RWS 4047Winchester WSPMWolf/Tula Small Pistol Magnum SPM #KVB-9M - brass cup - "For Magnum Pistol loads"Large Handgun Standard .020" cup thicknessCCI 300 Federal 150 - Has a thinner cupMagtech PR-LPRemington 2 ½RWS 5337Winchester WLPWolf/Tula Large Pistol LP #KVB-45 - brass cup - "For Standard Pistol loads"Large Handgun Magnum .020" cup thicknessCCI 350Federal 155Wolf/Tula Large Pistol Magnum LPM #KVB-45M - brass cup - For Magnum Pistol loadsSmall Rifle StandardCCI 400 -thin .020" cup, not recommended for AR15 use by CCI/Speer. Good for .22 Hornet, .30 Carbine. See Note 1 at the bottom of the page CCI BR4 - match primer with a thicker .025" cup. Federal 205 - Mil-Spec cup thickness according to Federal - okay for 5.56mm. .0225" cup thickness.Federal 205M - same as the 205 but the match version.Magtech PR-SR - .025" cup thickness (not much feedback yet on this new primer as to AR15 suitability but with the same cup thickness as the Rem 7 1/2 it looks good so far) Remington 6 ½ - thin .020" cup, intended for older, lower pressure rounds Remington says do not use for the .223 Rem or other similar pressure rounds. Good for .22 Hornet, .30 Carbine.Remington 7 ½ BR - A match or "bench rest" primer. Lyman & Nosler classify this primer as a Standard. Remington says the compound is the same as the 6 1/2 but with a thicker .025" cup.RWS 4033Winchester WSR - some piercing issues noted when changed from silver to brass cup. Cup thickness is a bit thinner at .021". Most say they are good to go for the AR15 despite that, probably because of the hardness of the cup. Some feel they are less resistant to higher pressures. Wolf/Tula Small Rifle SR #KVB-223 - soft, sensitive copper cup, not recommended for AR15/military rifle use or high pressure rounds. Small Rifle MagnumCCI 450 - same thicker .025" cup as the BR4 and #41.CCI #41 - commercial version of the fully-qualified DOD primer for use in U.S. military ammo. With this primer there is more 'distance' between the tip of the anvil and the bottom of the cup than with other CCI SR primers. .025" thick cup. Same primer mix as CCI 450.Remington 7 ½ BR - A match or "bench rest" primer. Hornady, Handloads.com, and Chuck Hawks classify this primer as a Magnum, differing from other sources that classify it as a Standard. .025" cup thickness. Wolf/Tula Small Rifle Magnum SRM - hard, less sensitive brass cup intended for AR15/military rifle and high pressure rounds - #KVВ-5,56M.Wolf/Tula Small Rifle 223 SR223 - #KVB-223M "This is the newest primer available in the Wolf line. It is ever so slightly hotter than the small rifle magnum primer and it comes with a brass colored thick cup. This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite." Large Rifle StandardCCI 200 - mild in brisance. Hard enough for use in semi-automatics.CCI BR2 - same as the 200 but the match version. Hard enough for use in semi-automatics.Federal 210 - medium brisance between CCI/Remington & Winchester. Do not use in semi-automatics.Federal 210M - match version of the above primer. Do not use in semi-automatics.Magtech PR-LRRemington 9 ½ - mild in brisance.RWS 5341 Winchester WLR - the hottest standard primer. Hard enough for use in semi-automatics.Wolf/Tula Large Rifle LR #KVB-7 - all brass - "For Standard Rifle loads".Wolf/Tula Large Rifle #KVB-7,62 - "For 7,62 NATO cartridges"Wolf/Tula primers are used by noted match shooter David Tubbs who says: "Be sure they are seated into the case - if not they can be hard to ignite. Russian primers use a different sinoxide compound (closer to the European type), which, in my testing, consistently delivers better extreme spreads over Federal..." Hard enough for use in semi-automatics.Large Rifle MagnumCCI 250 CCI #34 - commercial version of the fully-qualified DOD primer for use in U.S. military ammo.Federal 215 - original magnum primerRemington 9 ½ M - mildest magnum primer.RWS 5333Winchester WLRMWolf/Tula Large Rifle Magnum LRM #KVB-7M - all brass - "For Magnum Rifle loads".50 BMGCCI #35 - commercial version of the fully-qualified DOD primer for use in U.S. military ammo.Winchester 8312Wolf/Tula 50 Cal Machine Gun #KVB-50 - For 50 Browning Machine GunPrimers recommended for use in .223 Rem/5.56 semiautomatic rifle loads:CCI #41, 450, BR4 (#41 & 450 good with ball powder)Federal 205, 205MRemington 7 1/2 BR (good with ball powder)Winchester WSR (good with ball powder)Wolf SRM (good with ball powder)Wolf SR223 (hotter than SRM - great with ball powder)Primers recommended for use in .308 Win/7.62x51/7.62x39 semiautomatic rifle loads:CCI #34, 200, BR2, CCI 250Winchester WLR, WLRM (good with ball powder)Wolf LRWOLF/TULA PRIMER APPLICATION CHART FOR ALL PRIMERS - http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/Wolf and Tula are two of the common U.S. marketing names of primers made by Murom (OJSC «Murom Apparatus Producing plant» "For many years, our constant partners are «The Tula Cartridge Works», «Barnaul Cartridge Plant» and others.").##################################################################################NOTE 1: According to Speer/CCI Technical Services - Both the CCI 550 Small Pistol Magnum and CCI 400 Small Rifle primers are identical in size. Both primers use the same cup metal and share the same cup thickness. Both primers use the same primer compound formula and same amount of primer compound. They can be used interchangeably. « Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Since the topic is not exclusive to 9mm, I moved it here for better exposure. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Long Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 In my personal experience. Federal is very easy to light off. CCI / WIN I have never had a issue with either, and will load either/or for match ammo. In my glocks with factory springs they both ignite with no issues. My girlfriends SV ignites WIN SPM just fine. Remington I refuse to use unless its all I can get, then I load it in practice ammo. I was getting several light primer stikes out of each session with my glock. I changed striker springs and it seemed to help some but they are still noticeably harder to ignite then FED/WIN/CCI as I had no issues with any of those primers. I will still get a light strike every now and again. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fkimble Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 Youngeyes, I hope you had that filed away and didn't have to type it all in! Some very good info, gonna bookmark it for future ref. Many tks. Hmmm, I seem to have plenty of CCI 400 SR primers on the shelf. They were there for the space gun and the 223 varmint guns. I'M a HiPower shooter. But sounds like they are not the best suited for those guns. But sounds like they would make good mid soft SP primers in a pinch. I just checked, my Tula are KVB-9, standard pistol load. Not sure how that compares to the sporting pistol primers, I suspect the sporting may be the softer cups. Also found another 5K of the Tula in the wrong stack! Was gonna drop down to a 13# spring, may do it and see if it will ignite the Tulas. The 15# has been 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJGary Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I have only used 4 small pistol primer manufactures and this is my cents worth. Listed softest to hardest. Federal Winchester Tula CCI I would get an extended firing pin from CGW of CZ Custom and then you would have a much less problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIPERONE Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I shoot lots of 38 Special through tuned revolvers. Also 40/10mm and 45acp/45AR. What I have found: Federal = Easiest to set off. Winchester = New Brass Cup seem to be softer than CCI CCI and OLD Silver Cup Winchester = harder to set off Never used Russian Primers so far. Not real fond of Remington Primers except Small Rifle Bench Rest which I do use some. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane8168 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I'll tell you that I've loaded nothing but "those hard Tula primers" and have had 100% ignition with them with an 11# main spring. I use a CGW extended firing pin though. I'm pretty sure I can go 100% with an 8.5# spring if I wanted to. Get that FP and never look back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer1 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I light off federals and CCI with a 75 SA with a 13lb. hammer spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoNsTeR Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Magtech SP are very comparable to Federal SP. Magtech SR are not though, much harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felt Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 The CCI 500(OEM), if you can find them are very close to federals. I use them in my tuned revo, which will not fire the standard CCI 500. I will get 100% ignition from both Federal and CCI OEM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I light off federals and CCI with a 75 SA with a 13lb. hammer spring. Dude a 13lb spring should light off anything in that gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I've been using Fiocchi spp in all three of my guns (STI Limited, STI Single Stack and Glock 35 Production) and have not had any problems. Also use Winchester spp with same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Neill Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 It would seem, from the information you have listed, that CCI has changed the thickness of the CCI 500 primer cups. They used to be thinner than you list. With the cost cutting things CCI has done in recent years, they may well have made such a change. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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