joelogic Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Time to start a higher end thread. Well, I am all set to buy a Vortex HD II JM but I figured I would ask if there are any other options under $2k. Seems the top of the market is $2500, except for the S&B, but $2500 is a bit steep for me. I am upgrading from an IOR 1.5-8. I really prefer a true 1x because most of the targets are close in. Big ticket optics. http://swfa.com/IOR-1-10x26-Eliminator-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P53854.aspx http://swfa.com/Schmidt-Bender-1-8x24-Short-Dot-PM-II-30mm-Riflescope-P47551.aspx http://swfa.com/Swarovski-1-6x24-Z6i-30mm-Riflescope-P53087.aspx http://www.usoptics.com/optics/sr-8c.html Bright dot, Mil/Mil, under $2k would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlouie87 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I would like to hear what people have to say about the 1-8 USO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I would like to hear what people have to say about the 1-8 USO. +1...if it's just as good as my Z6i but the 1-8, I would love this scope. I will say that of all the ones that I know about, except the S&B and USO, the Z6i is the best. If you wait for a deal on one, you can find them around the 2K mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rep70 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 http://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/mark-6-riflescopes/mark-6-1-6x20mm-34mm-m6c1/ I think you can find this one for under 2k, has nice glass. Would be one I would consider. The Vortex also I s nice, great optic for the price. All that being said I just bought the Swaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broke_again Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I would like to hear what people have to say about the 1-8 USO.+1...if it's just as good as my Z6i but the 1-8, I would love this scope.I will say that of all the ones that I know about, except the S&B and USO, the Z6i is the best. If you wait for a deal on one, you can find them around the 2K mark. Eye box on it sucks. Turret housing is large and makes it difficult to find a mount to fit it. Best optic Under 2k IMO is the Vortex 1-6 Razor HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Optics Planet has a Swaro Z3 for under $1000. Granted this is a 1 inch tube but you can get the BRX/BRH reticles. I have the Z6 version of these scopes, incredible glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I'm a huge fan of the Vortex 1-6 Razor HD Gen II, I've even got two of them now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinT Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Get a used Z6i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Under 2K is the Vortex easily. Over 2K is the Swaro.Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mig1 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 No love for the Leupold VX-6 1-6x FireDot? Only $900 http://www.amazon.com/Leupold-1-6x24mm-Firedot-Reticle-112320/dp/B005PX20KU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 IMHO the current crop of the 1-6 VX6 have bad reticles for 3 gun. Namely they don't have good hold-over points. Even the 3gun version with the SPR reticle is bad. First hash is around 2-2.5 mils. That's like 400-500 yards to the first hash. IMHO... awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mig1 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Good point. There's only $400 difference between the Vortex and VX-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StravIs09 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 +1 for the vortex it is 99% of the famed swaro. the illumination toggle switch that the swaro uses is pretty neat but in terms of reticle anddot brightness and glass and fov and and and... the vortex holds it own when comparing it to the swaro(side by side) save some money and get the vortex 1-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpowe Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Yeah, I really like my new Vortex. Give Omar at Southern Guns a call, you can get two Vortexes for the price of a Swaro. They're great to deal with. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentsight Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 IMHO the current crop of the 1-6 VX6 have bad reticles for 3 gun. Namely they don't have good hold-over points. Even the 3gun version with the SPR reticle is bad. First hash is around 2-2.5 mils. That's like 400-500 yards to the first hash. IMHO... awful. Couldn't that be compensated for by using a closer zero, say 25-50 yds? Playing around on Strelock using 55grn @ 2850 100yd zero shows 2.26 MOA at 200, just under the first hash??? I'm trying to decide between the Razor II and the Leupold multigun, both have a "hot dot" that is daylight visible, 6x, equal FOV, strong warranty, but the Leupold is also marked for windage, etc. What am I missing and please save your sarcasum for someone that thinks they know what they're talking about. I'm new to this but I think I know what I don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Yeah, I really like my new Vortex. Give Omar at Southern Guns a call, you can get two Vortexes for the price of a Swaro. They're great to deal with. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=280 I love me some Vortex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 IMHO the current crop of the 1-6 VX6 have bad reticles for 3 gun. Namely they don't have good hold-over points. Even the 3gun version with the SPR reticle is bad. First hash is around 2-2.5 mils. That's like 400-500 yards to the first hash. IMHO... awful. Couldn't that be compensated for by using a closer zero, say 25-50 yds? Playing around on Strelock using 55grn @ 2850 100yd zero shows 2.26 MOA at 200, just under the first hash??? I'm trying to decide between the Razor II and the Leupold multigun, both have a "hot dot" that is daylight visible, 6x, equal FOV, strong warranty, but the Leupold is also marked for windage, etc. What am I missing and please save your sarcasum for someone that thinks they know what they're talking about. I'm new to this but I think I know what I don't know... The VX6 SPR reticle is in mils, not MOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotdown Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Three of us here are running the Vortex Razor HD 1-6. Awesome scope with lots of eye relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 IMHO the current crop of the 1-6 VX6 have bad reticles for 3 gun. Namely they don't have good hold-over points. Even the 3gun version with the SPR reticle is bad. First hash is around 2-2.5 mils. That's like 400-500 yards to the first hash. IMHO... awful. Couldn't that be compensated for by using a closer zero, say 25-50 yds? Playing around on Strelock using 55grn @ 2850 100yd zero shows 2.26 MOA at 200, just under the first hash??? I'm trying to decide between the Razor II and the Leupold multigun, both have a "hot dot" that is daylight visible, 6x, equal FOV, strong warranty, but the Leupold is also marked for windage, etc. What am I missing and please save your sarcasum for someone that thinks they know what they're talking about. I'm new to this but I think I know what I don't know... If you have iStrelock just set the reticle to the Leupold SPR reticle. The first hash the SPR is 2.5 MILS. Not 2.26 MOA. 2.5 mils is roughly 2.5x3.43= 8.6 MOA. Inputting your specs, 100yd zero, 2850 fps with 2.7" sight line and .243 BC the first hash is predicted to be 400 yards. Not good in my book. With the above settings for the: Vortex JM-1 BDC: 100 / 231 / 325 /418 /512 /750 Leupold SPR: 100 / 400 / 550 / 659 / 743 / 812 / 868 IMHO the JM-1 BDC is waaaaaaayyy better suited to 3gun than the SPR reticle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glock34shooter Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 IMHO the current crop of the 1-6 VX6 have bad reticles for 3 gun. Namely they don't have good hold-over points. Even the 3gun version with the SPR reticle is bad. First hash is around 2-2.5 mils. That's like 400-500 yards to the first hash. IMHO... awful. Couldn't that be compensated for by using a closer zero, say 25-50 yds? Playing around on Strelock using 55grn @ 2850 100yd zero shows 2.26 MOA at 200, just under the first hash??? I'm trying to decide between the Razor II and the Leupold multigun, both have a "hot dot" that is daylight visible, 6x, equal FOV, strong warranty, but the Leupold is also marked for windage, etc. What am I missing and please save your sarcasum for someone that thinks they know what they're talking about. I'm new to this but I think I know what I don't know... If you have iStrelock just set the reticle to the Leupold SPR reticle. The first hash the SPR is 2.5 MILS. Not 2.26 MOA. 2.5 mils is roughly 2.5x3.43= 8.6 MOA. Inputting your specs, 100yd zero, 2850 fps with 2.7" sight line and .243 BC the first hash is predicted to be 400 yards. Not good in my book. With the above settings for the: Vortex JM-1 BDC: 100 / 231 / 325 /418 /512 /750 Leupold SPR: 100 / 400 / 550 / 659 / 743 / 812 / 868 IMHO the JM-1 BDC is waaaaaaayyy better suited to 3gun than the SPR reticle. The Vortex JM-1 reticle is designed for a 200 yard zero. Then your hash mark are 300,400,500,600. It works best with a 200. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Get a Swarovski z6i w/BRT like the rest of us and quit effin' around. Edited June 16, 2013 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 The Vortex JM-1 reticle is designed for a 200 yard zero. Then your hash mark are 300,400,500,600. It works best with a 200. Matt What specs does the bullet have to have and the atmosphere for that to happen? 200 yard zero with the specs that Bentsight gave (2850 fps, 55 FMJ) and my other specs iStrelock puts out: 0 / 281 / 362 / 450 / 537 / 762. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesY Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I really like the USO SR-8C. The dot is awesome and the glass/reticle are very nice. The USO without the dot is $2000 but it probably wouldn't work good for running and gunning. An extra $500 to get the dot doesn't seem worth it. I really REALLY like the SR-8, but I'm not sure it's worth double the price of the Razor. I'm going to hold off and see if any other company comes out with something comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911 S.I.S.sy Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Time to start a higher end thread. Well, I am all set to buy a Vortex HD II JM but I figured I would ask if there are any other options under $2k. Seems the top of the market is $2500, except for the S&B, but $2500 is a bit steep for me. I am upgrading from an IOR 1.5-8. I really prefer a true 1x because most of the targets are close in. In honor of PK take a look at the IOR Pitbull. They have made very good improvements with the brightness of the dot. The rheostat ones are daylight bright now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 The Vortex JM-1 reticle is designed for a 200 yard zero. Then your hash mark are 300,400,500,600. It works best with a 200. Matt What specs does the bullet have to have and the atmosphere for that to happen? 200 yard zero with the specs that Bentsight gave (2850 fps, 55 FMJ) and my other specs iStrelock puts out: 0 / 281 / 362 / 450 / 537 / 762. Actually for the specs that Bentsight gave, his load would match the Vortex JM reticle better if he zero'd his load based on the 1st hashmark at 300 yards. It would give the drops at 220 (zero) / 300 (1st) /384 (2nd)/465 (4th) /552 (5th). 55 gr bullet at 2850 fps seems pretty slow. He'll have to crank up the velocity to better match the reticle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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