Jody Waring Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Searched the forum and found a few different recipes, never noticed unless I missed it but has anyone used 231? I am loading the Lyman 147gr cast bullet in my Shadow and need to load it pretty short to chamber. I have WST, WSF, 231, Titegroup, Autocomp, HS6. I also have one pound of N320. Am I better off with a slower bullet like WSF to help stabilize the bullet and prevent tumbling? I am leaning towards WST for use with cast bullets as I've had good luck with it in .40 and .45 but see some mention to be very cautious with WST. Looking for an accurate, reliable load that makes factor, and takes advantage of the soft recoil a heavy bullet gives. Thanks for any info you could share. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkandal Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I use 3,5gr of N320 behind a frontier 147 plated bullet, it has great recoil impuls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfish Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I am shooting 147 precision bullet loaded to 1.10 w/ 3.5 grs of win 231. I had to load short to work right in my kkm barrel. PF around 133ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 Shot 100 rounds of the cast 147's tonight, I loaded 3.3 gr of WST I had seen posts where some recommended 3.5 and I was getting lots of tumbling. I loaded to 1.085-1.090 with a light crimp and S&B pistol primers. Pretty bummed about it. I plan to try some slower powder like WSF and see what happens. They are sized to .356, maybe they should be .357? Funny how I have had nothing but great luck with plated and fmj, but cast so far doesn't look promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslafrain Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 147 lead need a length of about 1.13. Try loading a bit longer.<br /><br />Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2<br /><br /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anachronism Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Shot 100 rounds of the cast 147's tonight, I loaded 3.3 gr of WST I had seen posts where some recommended 3.5 and I was getting lots of tumbling. I loaded to 1.085-1.090 with a light crimp and S&B pistol primers. Pretty bummed about it. I plan to try some slower powder like WSF and see what happens. They are sized to .356, maybe they should be .357? Funny how I have had nothing but great luck with plated and fmj, but cast so far doesn't look promising. What diameter plated bullets were you originally using? This might lead you in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted May 28, 2013 Author Share Posted May 28, 2013 As far as OAL, I don't think I can get more than 1.10 with this bullet without getting some barrel work done; and the last batch of Berry's I used I'm pretty sure were .355-.356. I used Speer plated too and they shot great, but I don't recall I the diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoinHot Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Worked up various loads for a 5" 1911 using WSF, 147gr cast bullets. No problem with an OAL of 1.145. Settled on the 3.5 load. Shoots, feeds and feels great. There is a big difference in the PF from barrel to barrel, work your way up slowly. Schuemann barrel was 140 PF with 3.8gr and stock Springfield barrel is 134. 3.5gr = PF of 129 3.6gr = PF of 134 3.8gr = PF of 140 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsoncustom Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Whats the reasoning behind using a slower powder? A faster powder will give you less felt recoil when fixed with a heavy bullet I use 2.9grs of AA#2 behind a lead 168gr SWC and it's the lowest recoil most accurate bullet I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onebadeye Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 3.3 gr. Of n320 at 1.135 with bayou 147 fp. Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98sr20ve Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Shot 100 rounds of the cast 147's tonight, I loaded 3.3 gr of WST I had seen posts where some recommended 3.5 and I was getting lots of tumbling. I loaded to 1.085-1.090 with a light crimp and S&B pistol primers. Pretty bummed about it. I plan to try some slower powder like WSF and see what happens. They are sized to .356, maybe they should be .357? Funny how I have had nothing but great luck with plated and fmj, but cast so far doesn't look promising. Tumbling with Lead Bullets is usually a sizing issue not a powder issue. You can try a slower powder (WSF) but my bet is it won't matter. Did you have bad leading with that load. If not then you have a chance a slower powder will help. Did you chrono?I am going to try a similar load very soon. 143gr lead (sized to .357) and I am going to start with 3.0 grs of WST @ 1.080 as that is what fits my barrel. Short OAL is common with lead and especially over sized lead bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 I shot the same bullet last year with WSF and had no troubles at all. The barrel is not leading badly, very little actually even with the WST. Next time I pour ill size some to .357 and see if there is any change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98sr20ve Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 You will reach a point with a fast powder that you can make the bullets tumble. So I have heard OVER AND OVER by people who hate fast powders. I just have never experienced it myself. I actually made 3K or more (I have no idea how long this was going on) of 9mm 143 gr cast bullets loaded to 140PF using Solo 1000 (another fast powder). That is a over pressure load from all the data I have. It shot fine and I had no issues. I will try the wst and see what happens here in the next week or so. Good luck with your journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98sr20ve Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I should add I water drop all my bullets. They are plenty hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodene 5 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 3.4 of 231 @ 1.135 out of a g17 makes about 130 pf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 2.7 bulls eye 5.3 AA#7 1.140 length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Shot 100 rounds of the cast 147's tonight, I loaded 3.3 gr of WST I had seen posts where some recommended 3.5 and I was getting lots of tumbling. I loaded to 1.085-1.090 with a light crimp and S&B pistol primers. Pretty bummed about it. I plan to try some slower powder like WSF and see what happens. They are sized to .356, maybe they should be .357? Funny how I have had nothing but great luck with plated and fmj, but cast so far doesn't look promising. have you slugged your barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98sr20ve Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) I tested my WST loads. 143 gr bullet. 1.080OAL 3.5 gr 132 PF. None tumbled but I did not have time to test for accuracy. Bullets are sized .357" and water dropped for extra hardness. Edited July 20, 2013 by 98sr20ve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 I'm going to size some at .357 and try them. Are you using a lubesizer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98sr20ve Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I'm going to size some at .357 and try them. Are you using a lubesizer? Star with Magma Lube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellas Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 i did 3.3 n 320 1.135 oal with average 132 power factor in glock 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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