38supPat Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I'm trying to decide if its worth dedicating the time to effectively try it. I don't typically shoot SC so I'm on the fence about it, but I can't seem to get my draw to first shot under 1.1 average.If you can't get under a second on a draw with a full grip then you have issues that need to be sorted out, the scoop draw might be a quick way to get under a second but the other issues will still be there and you'll now be getting a bad grip as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpa5oh Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 What would those issues be do you think? Wasted movement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarpenter82 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) What would those issues be do you think? Wasted movement?Its certainly possible. I had a lot of wasted movement and i wasnt aware of it until i recorded myself doing draw drills.Watched a couple youtube vids on keeping it simple in my movement and was getting my draws to .6 the next time around Edited May 31, 2013 by jcarpenter82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 What would those issues be do you think? Wasted movement?Its certainly possible. I had a lot of wasted movement and i wasnt aware of it until i recorded myself doing draw drills.Watched a couple youtube vids on keeping it simple in my movement and was getting my draws to .6 the next time around .6 draw? What size target and distance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarpenter82 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 7 yard at a index size spot in the a zone. I should clarify this is in dry fire. Ill get a better idea this weekend at the local match. Point i was making is that i cleaned up my draw stroke. After watching my firsr video i was just not fluid at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinrichDerLowe Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Does your hand come onto the pistol from the side or down on the pistol from above? I generally achieve a more consistent grip when coming down on the gun from above and draws are faster by about 0.20. That said, I'm not sure whether reversing direction on the draw will ultimately cost more time as I improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45dotACP Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 (edited) I always index my finger alongside the side of the pistol and prep the shot on the press out...I'm not a speed demon, but without concealment I can get around .8 seconds or so. But it's all about that wasted movement. I also practice in front of a mirror and make sure that the only things moving are my hands. Don't move your hips, head, or any of that. I tried the scoop draw when I shot revolver, but during dry fire I would occasionally see my pre transfer bar smith whirl through the air and suddenly it seemed unwise. Also, if you intend to draw a pistol in self defense, it's generally better to throw your gun at the bad guy after you run out of bullets.... Edited June 6, 2013 by 45dotACP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 look ma no scoop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Now that's not fair! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinrichDerLowe Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Does anyone else draw faster from surrender than from "hands relaxed at sides?" I'm trying to figure out why, but I'm consistently 0.1-0.2 faster from surrender. For me, it does seem to coincide with coming down on the gun from above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Does anyone else draw faster from surrender than from "hands relaxed at sides?" I'm trying to figure out why, but I'm consistently 0.1-0.2 faster from surrender. For me, it does seem to coincide with coming down on the gun from above.Gravety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Does anyone else draw faster from surrender than from "hands relaxed at sides?" I'm trying to figure out why, but I'm consistently 0.1-0.2 faster from surrender. For me, it does seem to coincide with coming down on the gun from above. I'm definitely faster (though faster is a relative term...). I agree that it seems faster acquiring the firing grip by coming straight down on the backstrap as opposed to having to bring the hand up, in and down as it would with the hands at side starting position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56hawk Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Does anyone else draw faster from surrender than from "hands relaxed at sides?" I'm trying to figure out why, but I'm consistently 0.1-0.2 faster from surrender. For me, it does seem to coincide with coming down on the gun from above. I'm about a tenth faster from relaxed at sides, but I'm more comfortable from surrender. I think a big part of it is that from surrender as your hand comes down to the gun your thumb is already in the correct position and getting the initial grip is easier. From relaxed at sides you either have to come up above the gun and then back down, or rotate your thumb over the beavertail as you are getting your grip. From relaxed at sides the distance traveled is much shorter, but getting your grip can be more awkward. Not sure if I do a scoop draw per se. I have a good grip on my gun as it leaves the holster, but my thumb doesn't cross over the beavertail until it's quite a ways out of the holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Always .1-.2 faster from surrender. Straight down is much less wasted movement then up then down ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westtexasrancher Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 So y'all get a full firing grip from iwb too? I have trouble getting a full firing grip, fully, from aiwb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The goal is to get perfect grip, every time, no matter where your hand is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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