ahtsay Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Is the Grams follower "universal", wherein it can fit both the STI/SV and Para magazines? When I went to Beven's website, they have Gram's springs for Para but no followers for Para. So I'm assuming its the same followers as the ones for STi/SV? What's the hot setup for Para mags for IPSC standard division these day? Thanks so much guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Is the Grams follower "universal", wherein it can fit both the STI/SV and Para magazines? When I went to Beven's website, they have Gram's springs for Para but no followers for Para. So I'm assuming its the same followers as the ones for STi/SV?What's the hot setup for Para mags for IPSC standard division these day? Thanks so much guys! No, the follower is different. He has been working on a new design for a Para follower but AFAIK, there is nothing available yet. On a different note, it has been my experience that S_I tubes will work in a Para frame without modifying anything. The S_I tubes sit a bit lower so a weak spring will show up sooner but if your feed ramp geometry is OK, they feed fine. Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G+16 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 last I talked to gram, this spring. They had dumped doing the base pad kit for para-ord 45 acp, has he changed his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 last I talked to gram, this spring. They had dumped doing the base pad kit for para-ord 45 acp, has he changed his mind Beven discontinued the old design some time back. He has been working on something new but AFAIK, nothing yet. Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bore Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Is the Grams follower "universal", wherein it can fit both the STI/SV and Para magazines? When I went to Beven's website, they have Gram's springs for Para but no followers for Para. So I'm assuming its the same followers as the ones for STi/SV?What's the hot setup for Para mags for IPSC standard division these day? Thanks so much guys! No, the follower is different. He has been working on a new design for a Para follower but AFAIK, there is nothing available yet. On a different note, it has been my experience that S_I tubes will work in a Para frame without modifying anything. The S_I tubes sit a bit lower so a weak spring will show up sooner but if your feed ramp geometry is OK, they feed fine. Later, Chuck I have no problems running stock unaltered STI magazines along with the unaltered magazine release in my Para. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furyalecto Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) Is the Grams follower "universal", wherein it can fit both the STI/SV and Para magazines? When I went to Beven's website, they have Gram's springs for Para but no followers for Para. So I'm assuming its the same followers as the ones for STi/SV?What's the hot setup for Para mags for IPSC standard division these day? Thanks so much guys! No, the follower is different. He has been working on a new design for a Para follower but AFAIK, there is nothing available yet. On a different note, it has been my experience that S_I tubes will work in a Para frame without modifying anything. The S_I tubes sit a bit lower so a weak spring will show up sooner but if your feed ramp geometry is OK, they feed fine. Later, Chuck I have no problems running stock unaltered STI magazines along with the unaltered magazine release in my Para. What caliber Para did the STI magazines fit into? This is the 1911 page so I am guessing 40? SV Magazines fit my 38 Super Para. I will have to see if I can borrow an STI mag sometime & give it a try. I thought I had read a few posts that said they usually sit too low to run (mostly on newer Para's IIRC.) Thanks! Edited November 11, 2009 by furyalecto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dana Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 are you guys talking about double stack paras? im trying to find long mags to work in my 12/45 thats been converted to 38 super would like 170s but anything but stock high cap mags woiuld be fine dana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 last I talked to gram, this spring. They had dumped doing the base pad kit for para-ord 45 acp, has he changed his mind I called him about a year ago, and he said, "next year". Talked to him at Area 1, in June, and he said, "I don't know when". He did elaborate on the design, which uses a metal "collar" around the base of the tube, and a plastic basepad that would presumably attach via the patented pin system. I have three of the old, all-plastic pads, and two have cracked, so the metal collar is a good idea. Bevin said he'd have some sort of "arrangement" for those needing to exchange older, broken basepads - something other than a straight swap - but didn't have specifics. I can wait until next Spring, but will go with Dawson if nothing materializes from Grams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bore Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Is the Grams follower "universal", wherein it can fit both the STI/SV and Para magazines? When I went to Beven's website, they have Gram's springs for Para but no followers for Para. So I'm assuming its the same followers as the ones for STi/SV?What's the hot setup for Para mags for IPSC standard division these day? Thanks so much guys! No, the follower is different. He has been working on a new design for a Para follower but AFAIK, there is nothing available yet. On a different note, it has been my experience that S_I tubes will work in a Para frame without modifying anything. The S_I tubes sit a bit lower so a weak spring will show up sooner but if your feed ramp geometry is OK, they feed fine. Later, Chuck I have no problems running stock unaltered STI magazines along with the unaltered magazine release in my Para. What caliber Para did the STI magazines fit into? This is the 1911 page so I am guessing 40? SV Magazines fit my 38 Super Para. I will have to see if I can borrow an STI mag sometime & give it a try. I thought I had read a few posts that said they usually sit too low to run (mostly on newer Para's IIRC.) Thanks! Its a P16. Even SVI mags work in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsniper Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I have a double stack Para in 38 super (with a caspian upper) that I use for Bianchi. I am thinking about shooting a couple of IPSC matches in open minor (so I don't have to change my load, recoil springs, etc.) to see if I enjoy using a dot. My magazines are the old LE only that hold 18 rounds. What kind of "inards" do you suggest I invest in to get them up to 20 rds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spd522 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I have a double stack Para in 38 super (with a caspian upper) that I use for Bianchi. I am thinking about shooting a couple of IPSC matches in open minor (so I don't have to change my load, recoil springs, etc.) to see if I enjoy using a dot. My magazines are the old LE only that hold 18 rounds. What kind of "inards" do you suggest I invest in to get them up to 20 rds. Go with a Dawson extended basepad and Arrendondo insert. Keep the stock spring and follower. Should easily get you 20 in 38 Super. I get 22 in mine shooting 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFMEDIC Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Old thread resurrected because I seek your advice. I have been shooting a 1911 for IDPA and just purchased an older Para P-16 for USPSA without any magazines. I purchased 4 MecGars because I couldnt find any other magazines at all anywhere. I bought Dawson basepads, dawson longer springs and dawson followers. Stock they dont lock the slide back, hoped they would with the modifiers. Nope. I finally found magazine tubes at Para Pro Shop, so Para tubes. I ordered them from Para but have ran into the issue of getting them delivered to CA (I am a LEO so I am allowed to have these). Para said to have your gunshop call with the FFL and high cap mag cert and they will ship directly to them. Problem is my local gun shop has called them 3 or 4 times and they dont call them back. Para has already charged me so figured they were on it. So this option may not be working for me. Here is what I am asking. What are my options when it comes to fixing my issue? Different magazine tubes that have good customer service to actually ship and that will work with the components I said above? Or keep trying to get Para to follow through? I look forward to everyones experience and input from this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy-Bob Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Keep looking. I just, may 2020, bought 2 twenty round 45ACP mags for a 14-45. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 The last post in this thread was a decade ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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