NicVerAZ Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If you are a member you probably got the email announcing the rule book... soon. [rant] Is this supposed to be a teaser? "The greatly anticipated IDPA new rule book..." Please, just show us the rules, tell us what is specifically new and let's move on. And you wonder why USPSA shooters make fun of the IDPA rule book? Geesh. [/rant] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I'm not making any fun of it. We're still waiting for one, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I agree, if they are leaving it open for comments/suggestions for a month, the only reason I can think of is that they still are not finished with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-the new guy Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I think leaving it open for a month allows for some (hopefully) constructive input. The people who developed the bones of the rule book are a small group and really could use some input from the masses so to speak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind bat Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I read it as, "Please stop laughing at us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 Not sure about what input we can give them. They know our gripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-the new guy Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Yeah the problem is the old slow guys don't have the same gripes as the younger faster guys and most of the time they don't agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 Yeah the problem is the old slow guys don't have the same gripes as the younger faster guys and most of the time they don't agree... Yes but they've been hearing us for a while. Why do I have to cover the bottom part of my body? Why isn't my XDM in SSP? Why aren't DA/SA guns in one category, safe action in another? Why should I always have to cut the pie if the 2nd or 3rd guy has a more dangerous firearm? If I run really quick in front of that window, there is no way they can shoot me? Etc... Etc... Personally the rules are all fine for me, I shoot IDPA and USPSA, two different fun games, different rules. At least in IDPA production shooters are on an equal footing and overall classification makes sense. The only gripe I have agreed with so far is the XDm thing, but that's me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-So-Mad Matt Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Why do I have to cover the bottom part of my body?With few exceptions, we want our fellow shooters to cover their bottom halves. Why isn't my XDM in SSP? Why aren't DA/SA guns in one category, safe action in another? Why should different actions get different divisions? Why should I always have to cut the pie if the 2nd or 3rd guy has a more dangerous firearm?Can't a stage designer define the tactical priority for a stage? "You must shoot this target first..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 Why do I have to cover the bottom part of my body?With few exceptions, we want our fellow shooters to cover their bottom halves. Funny Those are not my questions, by the way. I have no issues with the rules as they are. If you don't like the rules, don't play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-So-Mad Matt Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 If you don't like the rules, don't play the game.I find that there's a lot of room between these rules are perfect and these $#@!ing rules are driving me crazy -- but the gap seems much narrower for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueridge Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Why isn't my XDM in SSP?Why aren't DA/SA guns in one category, safe action in another?Why should different actions get different divisions? I found it strange that Glocks come under SSP and XD's come under ESP. Both are striker fired weapons that bring the striker back to some extent every shot. Both shoupd be in the same division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-So-Mad Matt Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I found it strange that Glocks come under SSP and XD's come under ESPYou are not alone. The bigger question is whether we even need two separate divisions, when the numbers show that they don't perform differently enough to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Murphy Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) I found it strange that Glocks come under SSP and XD's come under ESP. Both are striker fired weapons that bring the striker back to some extent every shot. Both shoupd be in the same division. Because when the rules were being created, Springfield foolishly listed the XD as "Single Action" on their web page, as well as having an ATF certification of "Single Action". The ATF classified the Glocks as "Double Action", due to the fact the striker is only partially cocked and pulling the trigger finishes it up. XD's are so unpopular in IDPA, it always seemed like an odd thing to complain about. I wouldn't be suprised if they are SSP legal in the new rule book though. Ted Edited May 1, 2013 by Ted Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) If we are going to list the ones that don't make sense, why can you put 38 in a 357, put 44spl in a 44mag, 9mm in a 38 super but you can't put 45gap in a 45acp? I think more problems actually exist in the "leeway" given to specific COF (aka making up rules that do not exist) than most that are written. However, you still have some that are just not smart "in real life self defense" like it being a procedural for taking any action to reload while running for cover. Even if you are running for cover to complete your reload, how would it be a bad idea to have the full mag already in hand once you get there? If seconds count playing a game, they most certainly would in real life too. Edited May 1, 2013 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Yeah the problem is the old slow guys don't have the same gripes as the younger faster guys and most of the time they don't agree... Yes but they've been hearing us for a while. Why do I have to cover the bottom part of my body? Why isn't my XDM in SSP? Why aren't DA/SA guns in one category, safe action in another? Why should I always have to cut the pie if the 2nd or 3rd guy has a more dangerous firearm? If I run really quick in front of that window, there is no way they can shoot me? Etc... Etc... Personally the rules are all fine for me, I shoot IDPA and USPSA, two different fun games, different rules. At least in IDPA production shooters are on an equal footing and overall classification makes sense. The only gripe I have agreed with so far is the XDm thing, but that's me. I've said it before in other threads, but just go with two semi-auto pistol divisions: MAJSAP: would be the major power factor semi-auto pistols, could be .38 Super, .40S&W, 10mm, .45 ACP, etc. etc. loaded to just 8+1. major PF floor would still be 165 MINSAP: mainly all the 9mm's, but .38 Supers, .40S&W, etc, etc, that could be loaded to 10+1 no attention is paid to the action type, doesn't matter if it is single action, DAO, DA/SA, "safe action", etc. also, change up the order of the classifier match "script" . one of the strings in stage 1 has you going forward to paste headshots that have dropped down into the body, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cd662 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) Deleted original reply. I talked to Kitty this past weekend, they are still working on it. I'm looking forward to seeing what they have. Edited May 2, 2013 by Cd662 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I too am looking forward to see what they have. Hard to imagine they haven't filled in some holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlockCanMan Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I want the 5" revolver barrels to be legal agian...and throw in the 8shot revolvers also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD45 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ok IDPA, here is my input. Speed reloads should always be legal. Now, can I have a rulebook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger49931 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I like the idea of min/major regardless of action idea. I like the here are the bad guys they need 2 shots body one shot head you figure out how to do it rather than the over explained way now. Wouldn't mind seeing the ability to shoot my 5" edge pistol in ssp or esp. i don't see why the barrel bushing makes a difference that's just me. I like playing this game and it is just that a game. I commend the tiger team on their diligence to do this and look forward to see what they have come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKwon Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 What difference does it make if 1) my gun has a full length dust cover? 2) how much it weighs? 3) the rules give some RO the ability to make some ridiculously subjective call because he didn't think of something I did? Oh wait, that makes me a "gamer" but oh wait it IS a freaking GAME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason237m Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I am eagerly awaiting news of 125pf for ESR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-So-Mad Matt Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 (edited) What difference does it make if 1) my gun has a full length dust cover? 2) how much it weighs?I don't understand why the IDPA rules would disallow anything, unless it was (1) helpful in competition, yet (2) impractical in real life. I don't see how a full-length dust cover falls into either category. A weight limit, on the other hand, makes sense, although the exact point where they draw the line is necessarily arbitrary. I would like to see multiple size-and-weight divisions, rather than trigger-action divisions, because that's the real trade-off people are making. Plenty of people carry small guns specifically because they're small, even if a bigger gun would be more effective. Edited May 2, 2013 by Not-So-Mad Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-So-Mad Matt Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Speed reloads should always be legal.I actually think that speed reloads should sometimes be legal. The trick is figuring out what rule would lead to some speed reloads but plenty of slide-lock reloads, because in real life -- as the prevailing wisdom goes -- you're likely to shoot until you're empty, and you won't be planning your exact round-count against known threats. Perhaps this would work: A shooter stuck in the open with an empty gun may start a slide-lock reload immediately. Behind cover a shooter may perform a speed reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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