Jump to content
Brian Enos's Forums... Maku mozo!
Hotchkiss

Stoeger M3000 Scattergun?

Recommended Posts

Anyone have a link to a video or a write up on how to polishing the factory magazine tube?

Edited by Alw041

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I took it out this morning. I bought about 6 different 2 3/4 shells to run through the gun for some testing. I used the gun pretty straight out of the box. I didn't even clean the grease or lube it. It ran 2 3/4 dram rio, remington, winchester 1 1/8oz - 7/8oz shot perfectly. It didn't like federal though. Federal 2 3/4 dram 1oz and 7/8oz shot would either FTF or FTE.

Keep in mind that the manual says it is intended for 3dram loads, and this forum generally advises that for all inertia guns. You may get it to work that way, mind works with 2 3/4's dram as well, but it probably pushing it and I wouldn't use that in a match.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Remember that with inertia guns, good technique with low draw loads can stall the gun. A "softer" shoulder might let you drop a 1/4 dram, but you might be on the edge, and a "softer" shoulder is also slower. :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the extractor has pulled the rim of the case partially from the hull.

Clarify this for us, is the case head separating from the hull or are you saying that the case and hull are only being partially extracted from the chamber (but still fully connected to each other)?

The metal is seperating from the plastic hull. The shell only extracts enough that the bolt wont completly close. Other than that ive had no other issues.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Anyone have a link to a video or a write up on how to polishing the factory magazine tube?

I used 200, 400, 600, then 2000 grit sandpaper in that order. Kept it nice and wet with rem oil and just kept going back and forth until it was uniform all the way around. Took me about half hour roughly by hand.

Long nice even strokes with the sand paper wrapped around the tube.

Edit: shooting the everloving piss out of it will polish it over time too.

Edited by Punkface

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the extractor has pulled the rim of the case partially from the hull.

Clarify this for us, is the case head separating from the hull or are you saying that the case and hull are only being partially extracted from the chamber (but still fully connected to each other)?

The metal is seperating from the plastic hull. The shell only extracts enough that the bolt wont completly close. Other than that ive had no other issues.

I'd wait for the experts to chime it (I'm not one of them, I don't even own a Stoeger) but that sounds like an ammo or chamber issue to me. My guess is that the extractor is fine, but as the hull and case head partially separate, it (the case) is bending and slipping out from under the extractor thus leaving part of the hull in the chamber. My first course of action would be to check the chamber for any roughness or burrs that are providing extra friction on the hull (or maybe just polish the chamber) and then also try some different ammo as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I took it out this morning. I bought about 6 different 2 3/4 shells to run through the gun for some testing. I used the gun pretty straight out of the box. I didn't even clean the grease or lube it. It ran 2 3/4 dram rio, remington, winchester 1 1/8oz - 7/8oz shot perfectly. It didn't like federal though. Federal 2 3/4 dram 1oz and 7/8oz shot would either FTF or FTE.

Keep in mind that the manual says it is intended for 3dram loads, and this forum generally advises that for all inertia guns. You may get it to work that way, mind works with 2 3/4's dram as well, but it probably pushing it and I wouldn't use that in a match.

That is good to know. I will probably stick with 3dram loads then. Does shot size make a difference?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I took it out this morning. I bought about 6 different 2 3/4 shells to run through the gun for some testing. I used the gun pretty straight out of the box. I didn't even clean the grease or lube it. It ran 2 3/4 dram rio, remington, winchester 1 1/8oz - 7/8oz shot perfectly. It didn't like federal though. Federal 2 3/4 dram 1oz and 7/8oz shot would either FTF or FTE.

Keep in mind that the manual says it is intended for 3dram loads, and this forum generally advises that for all inertia guns. You may get it to work that way, mind works with 2 3/4's dram as well, but it probably pushing it and I wouldn't use that in a match.

That is good to know. I will probably stick with 3dram loads then. Does shot size make a difference?

No.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

JMoses, Jhr1986 more than likely has the right answer. this is indicative of a chamber problem....ONLY IF....ONLY IF....it does this with other shells as well. Many times a shell head separation indicates a bad run of hulls, but if it does it with more than one type of ammo or several lots of the same type of ammo you have a chamber problem.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Taking my Stoeger apart today for a cleaning before a match in Missouri next weekend and the locking head pin fell out of the bolt before I removed the firing pin retaining pin....

I cleaned and lubed everything up and upon reassembly the locking head pin just keeps falling out. Is this normal?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I should say that it falls out when i depress the bolt face, otherwise it stays in. Sorry if if my question is stupid, I just don't remember the pin falling out so easily in the past...... I need a beer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

JMoses, Jhr1986 more than likely has the right answer. this is indicative of a chamber problem....ONLY IF....ONLY IF....it does this with other shells as well. Many times a shell head separation indicates a bad run of hulls, but if it does it with more than one type of ammo or several lots of the same type of ammo you have a chamber problem.

Thanks, I will go tomorrow and grab a variety of shells to test out. Is there anything I should look for in the chamber it feels smooth and I see no rough spots.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Taking my Stoeger apart today for a cleaning before a match in Missouri next weekend and the locking head pin fell out of the bolt before I removed the firing pin retaining pin....

I cleaned and lubed everything up and upon reassembly the locking head pin just keeps falling out. Is this normal?

From the factory those are staked, if you took it out, then yes it can fall out fairly easily. It can't go anywhere when assembled in the gun.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, that's what I was thinking. Thanks bigcalidave. I put the gun back together and everything seemed to function properly but I don't have a chance to shoot it before the match.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I picked up a M3000 Saturday. I had already ordered a tube from Carbon Arm and double headed safety, charging handle and bolt release from MOA. I’ve watched Jesse’s video on enlarging the port 10 times and I’m looking forward to sending the wife and kids away and spending some quality time with it. One of the things that lead me to the M3000 was that I already had a M3500 for hunting. Looking at the trigger groups side by side they are identical with the exception of the lifter length. Numrich has M3500 lifters for $15.55 plus $6.50 shipping so $22.05. I think I can just cut the thumb peeler off the M3500 lifter, clean it up and drop it into the M3000 for a low cost extended lifter. That beats sending it off for welding for $60 or TTI for $80.

Am I crazy or will that work?

Thanks,

Walt

Edited by eightshot627

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am very interested in the idea of a $15 extended lifter. Mine will catch me about 2-3% of the time which is more than I like.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It does require a slight bend after shortening like the TTI, or you will get occasional hang-ups on the edge of the chamber. The radius at the end of the lifter centers the shell when the lifter is up. If you just cut the end off square, the shell can move side-to-side on the lifter as it chambers. We are working on a stamping die to convert 3500 lifters in the near future, as we came to the same conclusion, but during testing found that just cutting it off square creates feed issues.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tom are you still taking orders? I called and left a message Friday on your phone, and have not heard back from you?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It does require a slight bend after shortening like the TTI, or you will get occasional hang-ups on the edge of the chamber. The radius at the end of the lifter centers the shell when the lifter is up. If you just cut the end off square, the shell can move side-to-side on the lifter as it chambers. We are working on a stamping die to convert 3500 lifters in the near future, as we came to the same conclusion, but during testing found that just cutting it off square creates feed issues.

It figures I wouldn't come up with a original thought. So the slight bend is to center the shell on the lifter?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Our answering machine is on the fritz, and cutting off all messages at 10 seconds. We got the new phone system in, but haven't had time to install it yet. Please shoot me an email at tomh@moaprecisionllc.com and I will get back to you asap :)

Email Sent!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Our answering machine is on the fritz, and cutting off all messages at 10 seconds. We got the new phone system in, but haven't had time to install it yet. Please shoot me an email at tomh@moaprecisionllc.com and I will get back to you asap :)

I know you're busy, but I never got an email back on the possible in stock +7 tube for my build. Shoot me an email or private message.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Looking at the trigger groups side by side they are identical with the exception of the lifter length. Numrich has M3500 lifters for $15.55 plus $6.50 shipping so $22.05. I think I can just cut the thumb peeler off the M3500 lifter, clean it up and drop it into the M3000 for a low cost extended lifter. That beats sending it off for welding for $60 or TTI for $80.

Am I crazy or will that work?

Thanks,

Walt

Has anyone else done this? Any pictures out there?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm having a slight problem with my newly acquired m3000. When I load the tube and then attempt to chamber a round if there is more than one round in the tube, a second round follows the first and jams itself into the first and prevents the first round from chambering. Basically a double feed. I have searched brielfy and have had no luck finding similar threads. If there is one and I missed it I apologize. I have installed the parts from the MOA kit ( minus the disconnector ), and returned the tube back to the original 4 +1 configuration and it still does the same thing.

Any help from the seasoned veterans would be great. i will admit I am a newbie to shotguns, i acquired this one for what i thought was a decent price and just trying to get it up and running for some clay shooting and possibly a 3gun match for fun. Thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How are you dropping a round on the lifter? If you use the bolt release that will happen. If you use the shell release above the trigger (or press the trigger) it shouldn't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...