warpspeed Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) I was going through FB today and saw a post form Dave S. shooting the FNS-9 Competition @ The Florida Open in Production. Looked pretty neat so I started my Google search for info on them ( price, availability etc ) and found nothing. Absolutely nothing. The USPSA -NROI Production Gun List starts off with the requirement of " 2000 manufactured and available to the general public". So how is this gun on the list ? What am I missing ? Edited February 16, 2013 by warpspeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The gun has been out for less than year and in use by the FNH 3gun teams was release at shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The gun is on the list for production. That means FN submitted the paperwork stating they met the requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I didn't recognize Dave with the facial hair. Good to see Dave with a sponsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Oh no, now I'm gonna have to buy one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I got a chance to shoot the regular FNS a while back.I was not very impressed. This was mostly due to the stock trigger (gritty and tough, even for a stock striker fire gun), and the sights (POI was low, landing behind the dot on the front sight). The sights on the competition model look like they're much improved over the old 3-dot sights. If FN actually sells the gun with a good trigger from the factory, I can see this becoming pretty popular. It's a pretty tough market they're trying to break into, though. It will be interesting to see where this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 The gun is on the list for production. That means FN submitted the paperwork stating they met the requirements. And no one bothered to check ? Oh no, now I'm gonna have to buy one If you find anyone selling them, please post the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Yea I'm with Sasquatch. I already had a stock FNS-9, and it was garbage. I didn't even keep it a week or put a whole 50 round box thru it. But a 5" model with a better trigger, and Sevigny himself shooting it... I sure miss the Sevigny Team Glock days. I wonder why he never got together with S&W. I did notice he runs an SVI Open gun though. But then again who ever though Duff would have been shooting for team Taurus... They don't even offer a competition gun, but whatever right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 This pistol doesn't show up anywhere on the FNH-USA web site. I found some other info on the internet where it was a prototype last summer. It does beg the question of how it meets the requirements for the USPSA production list. If there are 2000 of these available to the general public, I can't find any place where they are now or ever have been for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunGuy Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Unless there i factory and aftermarket support, inexpensive and available mags, i see it going nowhere. there are plenty of people still waiting on 45 FN mags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 ..... If there are 2000 of these available to the general public, I can't find any place where they are now or ever have been for sale. Bingo. They arent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Unless there i factory and aftermarket support, inexpensive and available mags, i see it going nowhere. there are plenty of people still waiting on 45 FN mags It is going far enough that a previous national champion is competing with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 WS, have you asked NROI and your AD about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I asked John about it. He said the only way the gun would have been put on the list is if FNH submitted the paperwork saying they had made 2k. I will say I've seen these guns for over a year in the hands of team shooters. I know FNH has released some guns in Europe and other overseas locations before the US before. Not sure if that's the case here but we don't require manufacturers to open their log books to prove the 2k number. It's an honor system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The gun was certified on Wed before the FL open. Up until that time Dave had planned on shooting Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProGunGuy Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Unless there i factory and aftermarket support, inexpensive and available mags, i see it going nowhere. there are plenty of people still waiting on 45 FN mags It is going far enough that a previous national champion is competing with one. True enough,and he get paid to do so. But will the average shooter accept it if there are no mags, holsters, mod parts available, and at acceptable pricing?? Edited February 18, 2013 by ProGunGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 You're missing the point. Production isn't a division for one off guns that are only available to team shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee blackman Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Truth be told, it really doesn't say anything that a national level competitor is using one. I mean if MKS Hi Point sponsored Sevigny with enough money, he could probably take one of those hunks of junk to single stack nationals..... Perspectively I think it speaks more about what MOST productions shooters are using, rather than a particular individual. I doubt Sevigny has any advantage in running the FNH gun other than thats who sponsored him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I bought a FNS 9 and shot it fairly well at an IDPA match. Shooters Connection had a Bladetech holster and dual mag pouch in stock and I had them in a couple days. That being said, I agree it has a long way to go to compete with Glock, M&P, etc. The stock trigger sucks, and even after some polishing is still sub-par compared to a Canyon Creek trigger job or Apex, etc. I tried to install a FO front sight with negative results discussed in another topic here. Unless the comp model is a lot better, it won't make it. There's a huge difference between being paid to shoot something and paying to shoot it. Dave Sevigny could probably outshoot me with a pellet gun, so the fact he uses them doesn't really work for me. So far I'm not real impressed and I had a FNX before that I had to dump at a loss because of no support. Perhaps that will change, but for right now it doesn't work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Truth be told, it really doesn't say anything that a national level competitor is using one. I mean if MKS Hi Point sponsored Sevigny with enough money, he could probably take one of those hunks of junk to single stack nationals..... Perspectively I think it speaks more about what MOST productions shooters are using, rather than a particular individual. I doubt Sevigny has any advantage in running the FNH gun other than thats who sponsored him... Couldn't have put it better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 WS, have you asked NROI and your AD about this? I asked John via email. his answer was, in short, FNH said it meets the requirements so it must be so. My response was something along the line of the NROI got lied to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 I wondered for a while why S&W didn't just do that with the M&P 40 Pro 5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strick Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Truth be told, it really doesn't say anything that a national level competitor is using one. I mean if MKS Hi Point sponsored Sevigny with enough money, he could probably take one of those hunks of junk to single stack nationals..... Perspectively I think it speaks more about what MOST productions shooters are using, rather than a particular individual. I doubt Sevigny has any advantage in running the FNH gun other than thats who sponsored him... So using that logic a D class shooter can load up with more than 10 rounds, put their holster where they want, hell even run a comp.......it won't change who wins right. Rules are supposed to be rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Rules are supposed to be rules. Stop right where you are! You know the score, pal. You're not cop sponsored shooter, you're little people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm willing to assume that none of the players intentionally did anything wrong. I'm sure NROI took FN on their word. Maybe FN misunderstood the requirements, or there was some other mis-communication. My question is, what happens next? Does NROI follow up with FNH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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