fireman489 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Esther, Im very new to shooting as well, Mr Seevers, can attest to my "newness"........a couple of points if I may.... 1) Shannon Smith is one of the BEST in the world... if it's (the hand flip) good enough for him dont you think its good enough for you ?? 2) Use your par timer & Steve's books, yes I said books, as in plural, you do have them both dont you ? 3) Do it everyday... even if its only 5-10 minutes..... Like Professor Seevers (he's kinda a big deal....)said, dont get bad habits... take a class ... with a good teacher.... I have vids of a lesson I did w Steve Anderson on my youtube channel, along w my FIRST ever time shooting a pistol, fast forward 6 moths (only 4 months of training w Steve's books) & I'm seeing results...FAST.....& results are hard to argue against.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esther Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 fireman - Thanks for the input! 1) I've tried several of the suggestions on this thread and am sticking with the flip for now (as I mentioned earlier, it helps if I focus on slamming my weak hand to the mag pouch, but I still fumble the mag release sometimes...). Shannon Smith is one of the best shooters in the world, but his best way of performing reloads may not be the best or most efficient way for me. My friend who is a Master level shooter has been helping me with my reloads, and he does this motion where he presses forward with his thumb while curving his other fingers around the back of the gun. Well that does not work for me at all. That's why I Googled videos of different top shooters performing reloads to see how they eject their mags. 2) I think I sort of "knew" that SA had two books, but only realized that both existed (in that I should own and read them both) when you said that. Just ordered; thanks! 3) Awesome for you! Sending PM re: training and results. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireman489 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Esther, all I can advise is what has worked well for me.... Repitition.... alot of it..... to tell you the truth I dont even know what my strong hand is doing in the mag change... all I know is my new mag is in (hopefully) by the time my old mag hits the dirt. I spend a decent amount of time dryfiring and doing mag changes so it kinda just happens now. 200+ mag changes is a average day for me right now.... Keep working at it & Im positive you'll see big improvements too. Also if you dont have any local instructors I know Steve Anderson does "video instruction" as well as Facetime lessons. Give him an email Steve@Andersonshooting.com Im sure he can help you. Besides... he likes "stalkers"....... ( inside joke...sorry) Best of luck E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthemac Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Sorry to necro this thread, I was just working on some dry fire stationary reloads, and i was wondering if it is recommended to reload "high" (pull the gun straight towards your face at eye level on the same plane as if you were sighting the gun on the target and reload or lower face level) or "low" pull the gun down slightly, (upper chest) and meet the magazine halfway to cut down the on the travel time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Sorry to necro this thread, I was just working on some dry fire stationary reloads, and i was wondering if it is recommended to reload "high" (pull the gun straight towards your face at eye level on the same plane as if you were sighting the gun on the target and reload or lower face level) or "low" pull the gun down slightly, (upper chest) and meet the magazine halfway to cut down the on the travel time? I don't think travel time is a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Sorry to necro this thread, I was just working on some dry fire stationary reloads, and i was wondering if it is recommended to reload "high" (pull the gun straight towards your face at eye level on the same plane as if you were sighting the gun on the target and reload or lower face level) or "low" pull the gun down slightly, (upper chest) and meet the magazine halfway to cut down the on the travel time? I've seen differing opinions of this. If you talk with Travis Haley and Chris Costa or watch the Magpul vids they did, they talk about their "workspace" and bringing the gun up to it. That's so you can see everything you're doing while keeping aware of the tactical situation. Some practical shooters poo-poo this as mall ninja stuff (they might not say it, but there's an air of disdain there). They advocate bringing the gun closer to the mags to speed up the reload. The problem is the gun has to travel back to your natural index at full extension anyway. Like Flex said, travel time is probably not a factor, since the gun and/or the mags have to move in the same relative space anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 fireman - Thanks for the input! 1) I've tried several of the suggestions on this thread and am sticking with the flip for now (as I mentioned earlier, it helps if I focus on slamming my weak hand to the mag pouch, but I still fumble the mag release sometimes...). Shannon Smith is one of the best shooters in the world, but his best way of performing reloads may not be the best or most efficient way for me. My friend who is a Master level shooter has been helping me with my reloads, and he does this motion where he presses forward with his thumb while curving his other fingers around the back of the gun. Well that does not work for me at all. That's why I Googled videos of different top shooters performing reloads to see how they eject their mags. 2) I think I sort of "knew" that SA had two books, but only realized that both existed (in that I should own and read them both) when you said that. Just ordered; thanks! 3) Awesome for you! Sending PM re: training and results. :-) Esther, The only advice I'm going to offer is that you find one that works better than the others you're trying and practice the hell out of that one. You won't see efficiency until you've done a few hundred or a few thousand reloads. If you keep switching, you'll never get to the level where you're seeing improvement. Good luck and welcome to the sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Sorry to necro this thread, I was just working on some dry fire stationary reloads, and i was wondering if it is recommended to reload "high" (pull the gun straight towards your face at eye level on the same plane as if you were sighting the gun on the target and reload or lower face level) or "low" pull the gun down slightly, (upper chest) and meet the magazine halfway to cut down the on the travel time? I've seen differing opinions of this. If you talk with Travis Haley and Chris Costa or watch the Magpul vids they did, they talk about their "workspace" and bringing the gun up to it. That's so you can see everything you're doing while keeping aware of the tactical situation. Some practical shooters poo-poo this as mall ninja stuff (they might not say it, but there's an air of disdain there). They advocate bringing the gun closer to the mags to speed up the reload. The problem is the gun has to travel back to your natural index at full extension anyway. Like Flex said, travel time is probably not a factor, since the gun and/or the mags have to move in the same relative space anyway. I've never heard a competitor talk about bringing the gun closer to the mags to speed up the reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Here is my old, grainy video, tutorial: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneelingatlas Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Esther, I'm a big proponent of changing the equipment to fit the shooter, rather than changing the shooter to fit the equipment. I'm a huge fan of the CZ 75 platform and have owned many variants, the one my wife says fits her hand the best is the Jericho 941 (also sold as the Baby Eagle and Uzi Eagle): You can see it's very similar to your CZ, but the hump on the back of the frame is lower, making for a skinnier grip. It feels like a pencil in my hands compared to my Tactical Sport, I have to adjust my grip to keep my thumb and trigger finger from touching when the trigger is in the rearward position.The best part is that the internals are nearly identical to the Tanfoglio small frame Witnesses, so they can be tuned the same way. My goal is to get Shadow-like performance out of my Jericho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Here is my old, grainy video, tutorial: On side tech note Was that VHS or Betamax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frag316 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Sorry to necro this thread, I was just working on some dry fire stationary reloads, and i was wondering if it is recommended to reload "high" (pull the gun straight towards your face at eye level on the same plane as if you were sighting the gun on the target and reload or lower face level) or "low" pull the gun down slightly, (upper chest) and meet the magazine halfway to cut down the on the travel time? I've seen differing opinions of this. If you talk with Travis Haley and Chris Costa or watch the Magpul vids they did, they talk about their "workspace" and bringing the gun up to it. That's so you can see everything you're doing while keeping aware of the tactical situation. Some practical shooters poo-poo this as mall ninja stuff (they might not say it, but there's an air of disdain there). They advocate bringing the gun closer to the mags to speed up the reload. The problem is the gun has to travel back to your natural index at full extension anyway. Like Flex said, travel time is probably not a factor, since the gun and/or the mags have to move in the same relative space anyway. I've never heard a competitor talk about bringing the gun closer to the mags to speed up the reload. I don't want to dime anyone out, but I saw a FB post not too long ago from a someone who advocated bringing the gun closer. He's mostly known as a revo guy, so that may have something to do with it. I've slept since then, so it's entirely possible my short term memory has short-circuited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 On side tech note Was that VHS or Betamax? LOL...you said Betamax. I really don't know though. I didn't even know there was video., until I found it online ...and stole it. I think it was after tape, but before camera phones. (My name is on that shirt though...so...kind of a big deal. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I've toyed with both and my reasoning for trying the lower reload wasn't to shorten the distance but rather to reacquire the gun and sights on target in a similar fashion to how it's presented when drawing. In the end I didn't notice any real difference on the click or target, the most important factors still seem to be proper index on the mag as looking the mag right into the gun. Whatever accomplishes this best for you would be the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Manny has a good video that directly answers the question: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Fifty thousand reps? Awwww, mannnn...... ;-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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