codlinjr Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 http://s166.beta.pho...f6fb5c.mp4.html My 2011 Executive is getting a sporadic "dead trigger", and I have no idea why. please watch this video and let me know if anyone else has experienced this. notice in the first 2 stages, the hammer ends up fwd after the slide cycles, yet on the 3rd stage the hammer stays cocked but I still get a "dead trigger". I recently had the trigger smoothed and lightened by Derek at Millenium, but I remember the same thing happening one other time shortly before he did anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLI45 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I don't have an answer, but I hope someone replies because I'm having the same problem with a brand new Escort I bought my wife. At some point in a magazine (2nd shot, 5th shot, last shot...) I pull the trigger back to what should be the break point and it hits a wall and will travel no further. I then rack the slide and continue just as you did in your match. Between my two sons and myself we have a dozen STI pistols and haven't ever had this issue before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Is your grip safety still active ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 unloaded cock the hammer then with a little forward pressure on it wiggle it side to side. if it falls off you have a part/geometry problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauza45 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Check to see if the overtravel is set to tight. Look here http://www.brazoscustom.com/magart/0407.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Those were the first 3 things that came to mind as well. It looked like your grip was fine in the first one and it was just a hammer fallow. Is this a consistent thing and are you sure you released the trigger enough to allow it to reset? I have short stroked the trigger a time or to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codlinjr Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Is your grip safety still active ? no its not. The way I grip the gun if it was activated it would not disengage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codlinjr Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 unloaded cock the hammer then with a little forward pressure on it wiggle it side to side. if it falls off you have a part/geometry problem. checked this, and everything works fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codlinjr Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Check to see if the overtravel is set to tight. Look here http://www.brazoscus...magart/0407.htm also checked this and there is enough overtravel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codlinjr Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Those were the first 3 things that came to mind as well. It looked like your grip was fine in the first one and it was just a hammer fallow. Is this a consistent thing and are you sure you released the trigger enough to allow it to reset? I have short stroked the trigger a time or to. I'm 99% sure it wasn't a shortstroke, especially since 2 of the 3 times there was a problem the hammer was fwd when it should have been back. It happened the 3 times shown in the video during a 250 round match. It happened one other time prior, during the previous 1000+ rds I've fired, but I didnt get it on video to be able to see exactly what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg308 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have had this happen. I tried all the items mentioned, but still had issues that were getting worse. I tried everything, nothing worked. Finally I decided that I had replaced all the obvious parts and was getting desparate. I had a spare grip on the bench and swapped grips out. Solved the problem immediately. I have closely inspected the grip, can't find any cracks or other issues? But at least the gun works now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassochist Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 checked your grip screws?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssanders224 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 checked your grip screws?? This. However, seeing the two problems occur simultaneously (hammer follow, and dead trigger with hammer cocked) is strange. Given that the thumb safety and grip safety were completely disengaged when the hammer was cocked, it should have fired.... unless the disconnector was stuck down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajg308 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 checked your grip screws?? I know mine were tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 It happen on a friends custom 2011. I think his was a sear issue. Hammer followed to 1/2 cocked dead trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codlinjr Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 checked your grip screws?? Yes top screws are tight. I really hope I don't have to swap out grips. When I had all the recent trigger work done I had the smith install and fit a new Extreme Shooters grip and of course I've already sold the original factory grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 check that the left leg above the splits can't touch anything (side of the plastic grip, grip safety,etc) also that the diconnector is relieved in front so it can't touch the mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear23 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Your hammer is following on some of the stoppages...Otherwise it is not resetting. have you tried adjusting your overtravel screw? Edited January 23, 2013 by Bear23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear23 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Obviously your trigger needs to be looked at. how many rounds, etc...new parts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Campbell Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I had a cracked grip, under the trigger guard, grip would flex forward, grip safety would come out when you pushed on the heel of the grip. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave C Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Looking at your video, I can see your hammer is following the slide forward. This condition it indicative of a worn sear to hammer engagement or insufficient sear spring tension. If it were me, I would start by adding increased pressure to the sear spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codlinjr Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 I would start by adding increased pressure to the sear spring. Thank you, after hearing all the different options and "possibilities" that seems like the easiest and cheapest place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuildSF4 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 While you are in the sear spring check the back of the dis-connector where it touches the sear spring, insure it has no lines or roughness. (I polish this area, front and back, as well as the top of the dis-connector on a trigger job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forgetful Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 I would start by adding increased pressure to the sear spring. Thank you, after hearing all the different options and "possibilities" that seems like the easiest and cheapest place to start. That will solve the hammer follow problem (been there, some sear geometry just can't go that light) . Then I guess you can see about the dead trigger while hammer is back. I remember reading that a common cause is cracked frames and loose grip screws. When it fails and the hammer is back, is the trigger completely immobile or does it still have pre travel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RippSpeed Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) has happened to me before... the hammer follows to half cock ... is your sear and hammer old ??? how many rounds ??? my trigger pull was soo light that when you drop the slide on an empty chamber it would follow... I solved the problem by swapping out the sear, disconnector, and hammer... problem solved... You should try extreme trigger kits sold @ shooterconnection Edited January 25, 2013 by RippSpeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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