rhino Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 In my Area 5 Match baggie, there was a catalog for Springfield Armory. I saw that they are doing some pretty extensive grip modifications on the XD in their Custom Shop. Since they are the "manufacturer," I'm assuming that an XD with a grip modified by the custom shop is acceptable in USPSA Production Division. Now ... since it's an option offered by their shop ... what if you buy a box stock XD and do the same grip mods yourself, or have someone else do it? Is it still okay in Production, or is it verboten because the work was not done at their specific shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Rhino, best to research and e-mail JA about that one. The rules state something like NO grip mods other than skateboard tape/slip-on grip socks. The question should most likely come down to: Is the custom shop offering complete guns this way (in which case it could probably be a go once the new rules take effect and the model(s) appear(s) on the list) or is it a custom shop modification to an existing gun (in which case, most likely no.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 wrt...USPSA: Under the current rule book (14th, red)...no mods to grip allowed (except for tape and such, as stated). Doesn't matter what custome shop is doing it...it's a no-no. And, it loos like the new rule book won't allow modifications to the grip either: 21.6 Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard for the approved handgun and/or the application of grip tape or rubber sleeves is permitted. Modifications to grips, other than previously mentioned, not allowed, such as grooves cut to reach mag release or size reduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted September 6, 2004 Author Share Posted September 6, 2004 But what if the gun comes that way from the custom shop? Seems like an bit of an inconsistency ... but who am I to question things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 But what if the gun comes that way from the custom shop? Seems like an bit of an inconsistency ... but who am I to question things? Rhino, I think that's the gist of the question --- and if I were the rule interpreter the test would be: Is it a separate model of XD that comes out of the custom shop (i.e. they're cranking out one particular variation ala the S&W Performance Center 5906 for instance) in which case I'd say it could be legal provided it met all of the other division criteria; or are they merely offering an optional grip reduction/recontouring/job on all XDs, in which case new rule 21.6 would apply.... My earlier response was based on reading the new rules --- I figure we're almost done with the 14th edition now, so at least when it comes to building we should consider looking forward/holding off until the new rules are in force depending on your comfort level.... Best probably to do some research and then e-mail Amidon..... Did I tell you that I'm aware that you met Julie Goloski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 But what if the gun comes that way from the custom shop? No. You are SOL and stuck with the Kimber and L10. It doesn't matter if it comes from the custome shop...it still isn't legal for USPSA. The rules say no-changy-da-outside. (You are confused by the words from IPSC...they seem to allow "production" guns to get tuned at the manufacturers shop, but not by the end user or his/her smith). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted September 6, 2004 Author Share Posted September 6, 2004 Well, then ... poop. Thanks for the feedback, dudes. On the bright side, I replaced the broken firing pin in my Browning BDM a few weeks ago. Methinks I'll shoot some Production division with it this fall and winter. Maybe even next Sunday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Browning BDM? Maaaan that makes a Glock look pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Browning BDM? Maaaan that makes a Glock look pretty. I don't understand? I've always thought Glocks were pretty guns ----- unless they're covered in nail polish and mud, of course..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted September 6, 2004 Author Share Posted September 6, 2004 Your obvious envy of my superior choice in firearms does not provoke me! I am immune to your barbarous comments and scurrilous innuendo! (plus you can get a BDM for about $300. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgary Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 It doesn't matter if it comes from the custome shop...it still isn't legal for USPSA. The rules say no-changy-da-outside True... unless and until production quotas are met. When the Custom Shop has produced 2000 of them in that configuration, and they are "generally available to the public"... *then* they can be made legal in Production division. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 IPSC has (I believe...) no production quotas. So...I think you'd be fine with a manufacturer "tuned" grip for any approved gun in their Production Division because it is (by definition) then an *option* (Appendix D4.19). Obviously, with a Springfield XD you're still hosed because it's not on their approved list at all. But no such grip mods in USPSA PD, as Bruce explained. The divisions are really the last serious, err..., division between USPSA and IPSC rules... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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