GMB Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 How does the IDPA community feel about allowing the XD/XDM into SSP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I don't mind but I'm not on a Tiger Team to have a say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I agree. I have to shoot ESP with my XDM. Think they're changing some rules here in the future.....stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBBB Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think glocks, M&P's and XD's belong in the same division. We'll see what tiger teams have to say about it. Hopefully soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 TIme will tell. It would be nice to see .40 major allowed in CDP as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Hamby Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) If I was TT for a day. Put all minor power striker fired guns in ESP and allow minor powered revolvers (5,6,7&8 rounders) to play there also. XD stays in ESP along with M&P and Glocks allowing all existing ESP mods. DA is defined (for IDPA purposes) as the hammer or striker being cocked more than .25" by the first pull of the trigger. SSP is a double action class and should be where the Sigs, Berettas, and S&W DA/DAO pistols as well as minor powered revolvers play. Since Im not Tiger team. It will stay as is. Except CDP will drop the .45 requirement I predict. Edited November 19, 2012 by Ty Hamby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) I'd like to CDP a 1911 only class with major PF only. Edited November 19, 2012 by buller01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astephenson Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 If I was TT for a day. Put all minor power striker fired guns in ESP and allow minor powered revolvers (5,6,7&8 rounders) to play there also. XD stays in ESP along with M&P and Glocks allowing all existing ESP mods. DA is defined (for IDPA purposes) as the hammer or striker being cocked more than .25" by the first pull of the trigger. SSP is a double action class and should be where the Sigs, Berettas, and S&W DA/DAO pistols as well as minor powered revolvers play. Since Im not Tiger team. It will stay as is. Except CDP will drop the .45 requirement I predict. Don't you think that would stack ESP and all but kill SSP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehorn Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 If I was TT for a day. Put all minor power striker fired guns in ESP and allow minor powered revolvers (5,6,7&8 rounders) to play there also. XD stays in ESP along with M&P and Glocks allowing all existing ESP mods. DA is defined (for IDPA purposes) as the hammer or striker being cocked more than .25" by the first pull of the trigger. SSP is a double action class and should be where the Sigs, Berettas, and S&W DA/DAO pistols as well as minor powered revolvers play. Since Im not Tiger team. It will stay as is. Except CDP will drop the .45 requirement I predict. Don't you think that would stack ESP and all but kill SSP? Probably. But those of us who grew up on 80's and early 90's action movies(like me) would bust out the 92's and Sigs and H&Ks(I don't think a Desert Eagle makes weight ) and go to town. Yes I know Stoeger shoots a Beretta, and yes I know that "with enough training and practice blah, blah,blah . . . " so save it. DA/SA guns are virtually non existent in IDPA for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv Z Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just move the XD/XDMs to SSP and leave it go at that. When I shot my XDM in it's last classifier, I missed expert by less than 10 points. Guy shooting a Glock scored less points than me and made it because of SSP scoring easier. There is no advantage to a XDM over a Glock/M&P and they should be in the same class period. If you watch the striker indicator on a XDM, it does pull the striker back slightly when firing. This all came down to the description SA gave on the XDM. They described as a single action, so it went into ESP. If I have to shoot ESP as I don't like Glocks or M&P's, I'll shoot my STI 9mm Trojan with the 10 round mags and ICE magwell. That gun is an advantage and belongs in ESP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I want a home for major .40. Would prefer not an 8 round division, but will take it if that is offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 +1. The .40 S&W is one of the most widely used LE and self-defense cartridges out there. Standard velocity for a factory 180 slug is about 980, which makes 176+ PF. I can see no reason it should not be allowed in CDP. If you keep the 8 round mag Rule, then all those whiney CDP shooters (I'm CDP/EX) won't have any room to complain. If your .45 ACP gets beat by a .40 S&W with the same ammo load out... it wasn't the 'arrow'... it was the 'Indian'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 +1. The .40 S&W is one of the most widely used LE and self-defense cartridges out there. Standard velocity for a factory 180 slug is about 980, which makes 176+ PF. I can see no reason it should not be allowed in CDP. If you keep the 8 round mag Rule, then all those whiney CDP shooters (I'm CDP/EX) won't have any room to complain. If your .45 ACP gets beat by a .40 S&W with the same ammo load out... it wasn't the 'arrow'... it was the 'Indian'. Right on man. Preach it brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I still don't quite understand why a Glock 34 is allowed in SSP but not an XDm. I will not say they are the same thing but they are very similar (this coming from a DA/SA shooter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Cuz the XD was registered with the ATF as a single action gun. IDPA chose to use that designation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 How does the IDPA community feel about allowing the XD/XDM into SSP? wouldn't bother me at all. I don't pay any attention to the esp/ssp thing. I look at overall scores. Around here, most folks shooting esp are shooting xd's of some sort or another, so the scores are very comparable to ssp. Really, it seems like most people shoot about the same no matter what gun they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Vigilante Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) A Glock 34 is allowed in SSP and an XD/XDm is not because Bill Wilson said so!!! Edited November 20, 2012 by The_Vigilante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yea that makes a lot of sense as due several of the other rules. One can only hope that the TT will get things straightened out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 sorry ,but it wasn't Bill Wilson..there are 100's of pages on this subject,just google it.here is one.. qoute from a famous internet guy:Simplest answer is the Springfield said the XD is a single action. Single actions are not allowed in SSP http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/xddasa.htm http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/gun-games-shooting-competition/83-xd40-tactical-removed-ipsc-porduction-list.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 sorry ,but it wasn't Bill Wilson..there are 100's of pages on this subject,just google it.here is one.. qoute from a famous internet guy:Simplest answer is the Springfield said the XD is a single action. Single actions are not allowed in SSP http://www.handgunin....com/xddasa.htm http://www.xdtalk.co...ction-list.html So what did Glock say? That their pistol is double action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueridge Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I don't know about Glock, but S&W list their M&P as a striker fired double action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I don't know about Glock, but S&W list their M&P as a striker fired double action. they are lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicVerAZ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) I don't know about Glock, but S&W list their M&P as a striker fired double action. they are lying. Hey dude you still ride that KTM 300? I remember you were pretty darn good on that thing. Sorry, thread hijack. Edited November 21, 2012 by NicVerAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig N Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I don't foresee allowing what the factory calls a single action into SSP........just think how many people would try to get the 1911 in SSP then. I'd like to see a Major 40 class with full length dust covers for 1911s and a Carry Optics division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogan Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 well as long as we're dreaming....I want to load my damn mag to the limit it was made for....not some imposed limit of 10 rds....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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